ethan double standard

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ethan didn’t say anything abt genghstas tweet but why did no one get on his ass for bringing up how babyj was toxic in that one nrg video? obviously it’s not to the same extent but all these pros are saying that he shouldn’t have tweeted abt it a year later but laughed at ethan when he said babyj was toxic

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bro its inspire

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my fault gang

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Subreezy

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can someone explain why people call him Inspire now? rebrand? if so, the rebrand won’t work

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thenutoriousPRO

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yes its a rebarand

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jawn

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who's babyj

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babyK

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geometrix

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i thought inspire got dropped cuz hes toxic

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valkin

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i mean they got dropped because they got 13-0ed but him being toxic def is a part of them losing that badly

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HighlandDog

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obv babyj isn't in his circle, hypocrites got each other back

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valkin

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literally, the double standard is insane

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HighlandDog

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carefuĺ there, you will get called out by nahte on his tweetlonger

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Why is he called Inspire now lmfao

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valkin

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unironically got called that because of how shit his brand was which ethan played a role in 💀💀

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Manaphy

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We knew Babyj was toxic even before Ethan said it.

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valkin

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yea but him bringing that shit up 2 years later isn’t fucked up??

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Manaphy

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It's fucked up but I rarely saw threads being made about it for babyj.

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valkin

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when that clip came out a lot of clip channels reposted it and tactical rab made a big deal out of it too, but he does that with everything so

also my main issue with it is how the pros reacted to it

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Manaphy

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I mean a lot could come down to personal experience. None of the OpTic or C9 players came out and said anything so maybe their personal experience with yay was different than with the DSG players. All pros seem to all have bad experiences with babyj and that's why they may not come out and defend him in the same way. Also, a lot of clip channels were just farming FNS for views and he happens to duo with babyj a lot who isn't afraid to leak or talk about his experience on his previous teams.

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valkin

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literally the only roster who had bad interactions with babyj was the old 100t one, and that was 2 years ago, to bring that shit back up and for pros to laugh at it and not say it’s kinda weird is hypocritical

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It doesn't have to be interactions in a team environment. It could be an experience they had with him in ranked, trials, scrims, or 10 mans. I agree maybe Ethan should've probably just eaten the wing or lied and maybe the pros reacted in a way that would be seen as hypocritical, but the context and intent is different when Ethan said this in an NRG video about two negative outcomes and Genghsta after a year of being removed from yay and dsg is maliciously trying to ruin his career with multiple perfectly timed tweets after he just lost a match.

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we literally agree

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Psion

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can i have a link?

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https://youtu.be/TzZNtuI0ft0?si=cgPnSJMRpL21Qwwx

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Psion

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bro he was asked a fucking question for a video (that corporate made the whole team participate in more than likely) and just said babyJ, how is ethan double standarding here?

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valkin

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first off, he didn’t have to say anyone, 2nd ethan isn’t the one making the double standard it’s all the pros who were laughing at the clip at the time who are

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Psion

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the title is "ethan double standard", so my bad on assuming u were talking about ethan. and 2 he was forced to either say it or eat the wing and he chose to say it thats him picking between 2 bad options you can't blame him either way

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valkin

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yea the title was kinda click baity mb, one option is harming someone else’s career and the other is him just eating a wing i think he can bare with it

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Psion

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dude, saying this in a random youtube video most people didn't exists definitely isn't harming babyj's career

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valkin

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again, that’s not what i’m bitching abt i’m talking about how pros reacted to it

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Psion

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every reply has been directly to something you typed

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valkin

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mb, my main point is that 1. ethan being the experienced player he is who’s played in several different teams saying babyj was the worst player he’s ever played with is definitely harmful to babyjs career

the way people reacted to genghsta saying that he shouldn’t have said shit a year later and kept this to himself is hypocritical since they didn’t say anything for ethan

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very_average_guy3

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cause who gaf about babyj he hasnt been relevant in the pro scene for years and his bad attitude is infamous this is just some horrific player kicking yay down when hes had such a shite year plus

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HighlandDog

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you just prove his point of double standard tho, guess people will follow their roles model without filter lol

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very_average_guy3

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valorant players arent my role models
genghsta is an absolute shit player and now hes making himself look even worse than he did in his constant -20 series' and double sova ulting his own team and babyj is a crybaby who dug his own grave long before ethan arnold made a joke about him

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HighlandDog

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uh cool?

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very_average_guy3

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So is there a reason you're this invested in your parasocial relationships with your role models and then just revert to "uh cool?" after i break down why nobody should care about babyj?
Do you think BabyJs and genghstas careers were thriving and got ruined by this?

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valkin

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his career being this shit makes it worse to make a comment then no? because he’s been trying to get into a team and this comment definitely doesn’t help him 💀💀

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very_average_guy3

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it just doesnt matter in the grand scheme of things
just because he changed his alias to inspire doesnt make him not babyj to the na pro scene

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Conceit

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It's not really the same thing, it is kinda messed up but ~~babyJ~~ Inspire is already known for being toxic so it was just a nice easy out for him to not have to eat a hot wing. Plus Genghsta feels like he's actively trying to ruin Yay's career while Ethan was just kind of joking around.
I also think Ethan did comment on the tweet btw

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valkin

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ethan’s joke is still harmful though, and i don’t think it’s to the same extent obviously but it’s just the general reaction to it that i find weird

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Conceit

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I mean yeah but it's significantly less harmful, which is why the reaction is so different

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valkin

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i’m not saying it should’ve been made a big ass deal i just think it’s weird for them to laugh at it and now with yay all of a sudden you shouldn’t be shit talking your ex teammates

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Conceit

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It's because of how different the context is, not shit talking your ex teammates isn't an absolute. Ethan making a joke about an ex teammate infamous for being toxic, in a pressurized situation is fine, because it's just a joke and this isn't really news to anyone. Genghsta is maliciously trying to ruin Yay's career by using evidence that either isn't a big deal even though he's acting like it is, or isn't enough to prove anything

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valkin

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intent really doesn’t mean much to me because that’s not what i’m bitching about, and i understand what genghstas doing is worse however the pros reaction to ethan’s “joke” was still fcuked up especially coming from them because they understand how it harms them

also let’s not downplay what ethan did because ethan being a veteran player playing for years on end saying the worst teammate he’s ever played with is babyj is definitely harmful

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Conceit

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I disagree, I genuinely don't understand your position so

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??? 😭

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BrotherMan

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difference is babyj doesnt want to grind T2 meanwhile yay accepted playing in T2... if you think babyj's ego/toxicity is below yay's then youre wrong. and ethan answered a question for a content video lol.. he didnt leak anything

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valkin

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i agree i don’t think it’s as bad as leaking scrims and shit, however i just think it’s hypocritical for people to laugh at that one clip but then criticize genghsta for being it up a year later

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BrotherMan

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ppl are criticizing genghsta cuz his whole idea for leaking this was for 'hating' and 'stirring drama' and 'relevancy'... and then he posts a mid scrim leak and an alleged bribe with a ss of a discord call

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valkin

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yea and he’s weird for that but that’s not the only thing people are criticizing him for, it’s also him bring this up a year later and not leaving it in private

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AK3

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bro this was like 6 months ago and it was a joke, I think ETHAN is 1 of the descent players in the league and a man of high standers.

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valkin

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☝️ 3 months ago acshually 🤓🤓🤓

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AK3

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whatever when the vod released it was a spicy wing challenge for sure he is joking, and we know inspire if he thought ethan meant to say it he would start a big drama

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valkin

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https://youtu.be/RAU0abrXUqY?si=tvMmOwPuh61eqoQX

he didn’t make a statement because he didn’t want to make a bigger deal out of it, and even though he doesn’t care that much i think it’s stupid to act like it didn’t harm him + the way pros reacted to the clip was also messed up

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AK3

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whatever though I gave my opinion about him, maybe am wrong about but this is how I see it

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Nachtel

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Leaking a scrim is specifically what everyone is pissed about because it's supposed to be an environment where you feel comfortable being completely honest with your teammates, under the guarantee that what happens between you stays between you.

It's like a therapist leaking a session with a patient, regardless of what was said within it

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valkin

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and that is 100% valid i’m more so talking about the people bitching abt it being a year later

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no fucking way you compared a scrim to a psychotherapy session

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hahahaha

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Nachtel

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one day you'll learn that identical logic can be applied in different situations regardless of scale and severity

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soonwookong

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yes but not here, a therapist is a professional dealing with others' personal stuff with clear professional ethics, these scrims are games where no such ethics boundaries has ever been properly set yet people act like it's a set rule violated in the highest order

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he had to say someone or eat a wing

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valkin

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he can eat a wing 💀

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LMAO yeah I was kinda joking. But in his defense he wanted to at least pick someone

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I don't really care about Yay being toxic. At the end of the day, most pros who are toxic against their teammates are players who have a strict winner mentality (like I assume Yay does). The problem with Genghsta and Yay here is that Genghsta LEAKED private comms and accused Yay of bribing Ocean with 10k with no proof whatsover. I don't think that Yay being a bad teammate here is the problem, because lots of teams have lots of dirty laundry

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valkin

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i disagree with this framing, as far as i know eg weren’t toxic between themselves and they literally won champs in the most iconic way ever

like strict winners mentality doesn’t mean being toxic

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babybob

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Sorry, let me rephrase. Most strict winner mentality players get toxic when things don't go their way

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ILikePudding

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Babyj and ec1s got kicked because they were fighting and shouting which is backed up by people inside the team. Saying something that's already out there isn't really anything.
Ethan is a cs major winner and vct world champion and genghsta is a bum.
Flaming somebody is different than spreading something thats supposed to be a secret and could be taken out of context.

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Ullyr

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kek classic NA pros ego andies and defending their friends/social group while not addressing their own hypocrisy

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He said it because it was a hot ones video, not for no reason and didnt rlly elaborate