are you saying that trans aren't humans?
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that logic would be correct if it werent for the fact that it is SCIENTIFICALLY wrong.
beliving in a religon that science cannot disprove is fine.
denying facts proven by science is another thing.
2nd point. Lets say for example you are.... a Catholic, lets say. and for example i am an atheist. Just because you are a catholic DOES NOT mean I have to follow ur beliefs. U cant force me to call u a priest.
Same thing goes with trans. U can be trans, idc. Don't force me to call u by ur pronouns. Just as athesists can refuse to acknowledge religon, I can refuse to acknowldge trans people
what does this mean? that logic would be correct if it werent for the fact that it is SCIENTIFICALLY wrong.
trans people do exist
gender dsyphoria does exist
yes but you aren't just refusing to acknowledge
you are actively discriminating
by your example:
lets assume that Catholics are eligible to be human, and enjoy human privilege
and atheists are not
in pari materia trans people ought to be able to exist and not be discriminated against
U can be trans, idc. Don't force me to call u by ur pronouns
this is discrimination no?
refusing to call black people by their name and instead opting to use N word is racism
similarly does this case not exist for trans people
and in fact in this case the prior pronouns aren't even a specific term, they just want to be respected and acknowledged
TLDR: its just a matter of respect
unfortunately if i were to "respect" them, I would also be disrespecting my own moral beliefs, moral code of values, and culture. They would be disrespecting me by forcing me to adhere to their own values in a public space. I am not entitled to do so.
trans right is not a human right to begin with, although they exist they have no power over me to call them by their pronouns, nor can they force me by law.
i am not discriminating them, i am just treating them like a normal human
calling someone slurs is discriminating against
saying he or she is not.
I am by no means obligated to call u want pronouns u want, nor is there a law
you haven't shared the basis of these moral beliefs, code of values, or culture is.
is it based on religion, logic etc?
They aren't forcing you to do anything
its literally just a formality, acknol
you say that you are treating them like a normal human, then there should be no difference between a trans person person and a cis person in your mind no?
the fact that there is a distinction is discrimination
if you were treating them like a normal human then you wouldn't be having this cognitive dissonance - between not wanting to discriminate and trying to stick to whatever cultural values you have
yeah you aren't obligated no, nor is anyone forcing you to. its just like a name. like if your name is Joe, and i keep calling you Gil-Dong, every time we meet its kinda weird/inconvenient
another thing.
if you've ever met a trans person, then you would know that the media blows it up way out of perception and regular trans people are chill
i grew up in a household where my environment was super bigoted and i used to not believe in the concept of a trans gender until i actually met someone who said: 'bro im just tryna live my life, just respect i am and we got no problem'
imho Streamers and such overblow the pronoun thing because less reasonable people are less likely to go with the flow quietly and more likely to discriminate/cause drama etc. Its literally just to show support
I treat all trans people like normal humans- however there IS a difference between a cis person and a trans person. I am just finding the middle ground between me and them. If u are clearly a 6ft5 tall muscular bodybuilder with a full grown beard and a dick no im not going to call u a woman. There's a reason why a lot of states in the US have banned transgender people from participating in events that are different from their sex. Because if u call urself a woman, at the end of the day, you are still a man. Yes I have met and encountered many trans people in my life, and most of them respect my values and are ok with my calling them by their biological sex. However its the people that aren't trans that make such a big deal out of it.
The ONLY exception I CAN make, tho, is that they FULLY transitioned from a man to a woman or the other way around. That changes science because they have chemically supressed estrogen or testerostone, etc. Even though I believe it is morally wrong to change ur gender, that doesnt matter. Unless u remove ur dick or whatever the female equivalent of that is I am going to refer u as ur biological sex.
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