Tsm just can't seem to win

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Even after getting bang and leviathan, TSM lacked team play and lost to rise.
Lack of a good IGL has finally caught up to them. Do they need to lose hazed and get vanity ?

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Sen_Scream_Liquid_tenz

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the tsm breewe comp was bad, they had astra instead of sova and rise abuses tha wickness

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DucWallace

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lol this kid thinks sova is good on breeze

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plebwong

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lol this kid thinks sova is not good on breeze

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DucWallace

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actually 1 head probably silver player

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Sen_Scream_Liquid_tenz

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nope iron since beta bro on 30 FPDS and bad resolution and in africa so 300 ping

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DucWallace...Sen,envy,rise etc all play sova on breeze so technically you are calling them silver lol you are just a bronze hardstuck who pretends to be radiant and call others silver😂😂now go queue your next game and hope you don't face any smurfs

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DucWallace

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that's 2 teams that use sova. Rise just copied Sen's comp.

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plebwong

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acend, g2, vision striker, gambit, guild, ya needmore?

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DucWallace

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Sova isn't necessary on Breeze and not all teams are using him. Certain comps don't even favor sova. TSM didn't loose because they didn't have a sova.

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Wavee

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tsm lost simply because rise is a better team at the moment

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plebwong

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i like how you became so polite all of the sudden, keep up the good work

no they lost because their astra set up on breeze was bad but your initial claim was 'lol this kid thinks sova is good on breeze' Sova makes taking A a lot easier, also Sova is a direct nerf to Jett, especially valuable on a Jett op map, he's good on breeze yo

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They've improved a lot, were playing noticeably worse against rise than they have been recently. They still have a chance to make LCQ if an NA team wins Berlin. I think it's worth keeping this roster until then at least.

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Ya they did play well, but considering the fact they have a huge org behind them, good is not enough. And they lost the LCQ to rise because whoever won that match would be qualified. And if that is true, keeping the roster till Jan of 2022 doesn't make sense

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TSM is fantastic, they just need to work on communication, aim, map awareness, crosshair placement, eco management, pistol aim, awp flicks, grenade spots, pop flashes, positioning, bomb plant positions, retake ability, spray, skills use, control and getting kills.

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funny

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number_1_bjor_fan

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imo TSM did not play up to their full potential in that rise game they definity choked hard

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number_1_bjor_fan

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but when u have 2 brand new players representing a org as big as TSM it's tough

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HLTVtoxic

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maybe bjor could help a bit idk

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they're not getting Vanity and Levi and Bang were not performing well

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C9 got vanity

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gweees

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yeah I know thats why I said they're not getting Vanity

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Vegito

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Watch vanity's video. He clearly says that move only happened because HE wanted to go to c9 because of xeppa and leaf so if c9 didnt buy him, he probably would have stayed on V1.

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idk if this roster is the move to be honest. i believe wardell is extremely talented with the awp but this isnt cs. you are wasting a slot on your team with someone whos playing the best entry agent and baiting the whole team. alot of people hating on levi and bang but they are new talents and need some time. hazed very consistent, i remember reading about him not liking igl role so that has something to do with it. IMO move wardell to content creation and find a good entry or just buy one out TSM has so much money.

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Wardell is too good to not play comp tho. I think they just need an IGL who isn't afraid to tell wardell when he should and shouldn't buy the op.

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kwaii

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thats the thing, you cant tell wardell to not buy the awp or not bait cause thats what makes him good. his rifling is subpar compared to other jetts hes compared too

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plebwong

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Maybeee, just maybee he should work on his rifling. Tenz is made to learn Raze, Asuna's picking up the Jett, pros, more than anyone else has to improve

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kwaii

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shaz mentioned that tenz was never able to pick up raze as they wanted him to play it so they put him back on reyna, learning doesnt always work and as far as i know (i could be completely wrong since ive never watched wardell) but he has been trying to improve his rifle and it still seems lackluster

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plebwong

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That was in the Iceland qual when they played Reyna on Split, after that Tenz was made to play Raze on Split for Iceland. It only took him like a month to learn, and he starts switching to Raze on Icebox now and it looks kinda good.

I dont think that his rifle is bad tho, i think he is just too rehearsed in with this wardell jett op playstyle that when he needs to play like a conventional jett, he is not as effective

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kwaii

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in the berlin qual tenz has only played reyna/jett (including icebox reyna against envy), so i still feel like they are still trying to feel out the waters on icebox/split with tenz.

about wardell, i dont think his rifle is necessarily bad per say, but its certainly not up to par with the rest of the top jetts in NA (where hes supposed to be). I just dont believe he can transition into the traditional making space, rifle, jett that the others are. he shines because the team is playing like how old liquid functioned or how NAVI (cs) functioned around one player to take them places, but like i said, this isnt CS where you can do that, thats why liquid were underwhelming in the beginning.

if they want to succeed they either have to force wardell to be a more traditional jett and have a more team based strategy or, find a new jett, i dont think wardell is the main problem either since obviously they need an igl who wants to actually igl

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PrTsty

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Imagine vanity and sinatraa instead of bang and levi and put someone else instead of hazed, maybe aproto?

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Mememeister1

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hold up wait a minute TSM have had the best performance since first strike and rise aren't a bad team, they are the best tier 2 team in NA. I'm really impressed with their performance. No roster changes should be made as it would probably ruin the synergy the team already has.