TL vs Loud Banger here's why

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usersux

nAts vs Less (battle of one of the best vipers)
Sayf vs aspas (battle of one of the best jetts)
Redgar vs saadhak (battle one of the best igls)
Jamppi vs cauzain something ( battle of mids)
Soulass vs tuyz ( battle of most whiffs)

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yoyoyo_8382

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The same can be said for every game no?

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cboomer

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tbh its very interesting clash of play style

big 3 vs big 3 but i fear that loud wins this as a liquid fan we not in form atm

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starxito_sike

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no liquid wins, BELIEVE

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WinterZ20

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nah fam we gotta believe in the lads

trust the process, we got got this

#LetsGoLiquid

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Leo6

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Liquid 14-4 loud in scrims, ez for liquid

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WinterZ20

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🙏

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titanwithpp

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nAts >> less
Sayf <= aspas
redgar ? saadhak
jamppi > cauanzin
soulass = toiletuyz

Overall TL wins

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cbitgg

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my dude, being honest I disagree somewhat

nAts = less (both are SO FUCKING GOOD it'll be awesome watching them play)
sayf < aspas
redgar < saadhak (I only put him as better because sometimes when LOUD really needs it he steps up and wins rounds that he has no right in winning)
jampi != cauanzinn (they are really different kinds of players, I can really compare both)
soulASS < abyss < tuyz

anyway the game will be a fucking banger and may the best win

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titanwithpp

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How is nAts = less?

Masters Tokyo
Nats had a 1.00 rating and 213 ACS
Less had 0.91 rating and 199 ACS

Champs 2023 so far
Nats has 1.26 rating with 263 ACS against NAVI who look way better than their Tokyo run somehow
Less has 1.00 rating with 201 ACS against DRX who looked horrible in Tokyo but look better now

Idk how less is still = to nats

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lorenzopajaroFC

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Bro really comparing players by their 3 last matches 😭😭😭

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sj82shz89h

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u cant just compare like this in tokyo loud didnt even get 10 rounds for all their maps ofc their players would perform worse stats wise

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titanwithpp

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LOUD played less maps 4 maps and in those 4 we have less doing shit
Comparatively Nats played more maps and still has better stats

If you play more and have better stats that basically shows your consistency

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sj82shz89h

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no if you play more naturally ur team would have better stats eg if u get 13 0ed vs 13 11 obv the 13 11 would have much better stats if you get 13 0ed your team would be like 5 kill 15 deaths or smth like that

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titanwithpp

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No? Playing more will make your stats be divided among many maps
Its like if you play one good match and your ACS is 300, you'll have to play another banger to maintain it and the more you play the more you have to be consistent to keep your stats up
On the other hand if you play less maps then you'll not have to worry about your stats degrading

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when loud isnt even winning 10 rounds per map there's no "good game" from members of loud at all that will push the total stats high so to begin with their stats are basically trash from the start

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titanwithpp

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Play better to have a good game then? I understand why LOUD might play bad rn but don't see a reason behind why they were bad in Tokyo when they won AMERICAS so dominantly

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sj82shz89h

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ye exactly the team as a whole werent performing well hence everyone's stats goes down which is why u cant compare less and nats like this

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cbitgg

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ok, without pulling vlr stats because they don't mean much in reality because game impact can't be measured ONLY in numbers and statistics.
if you compare both, historically, they same pretty similar gameplay styles, very calm and ratty hitting insane timings and shots.
LOUD is having a bad time yeah, but nAts also had a really bad year in 2022 and I'm really happy he's back on top again.
If LOUD steps in with their A game, the diference in quality between nAts and Less is, in every way, negligible and insignificant.

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titanwithpp

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Thing is Less is good but nAts is just too good, you can't say they are equal because even if TL is doing shit nAts does the best majority of the times, can't say the same for less

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cbitgg

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I disagree a bit. If I'm not wrong, I think I watched every LOUD game so far, this lineup and the last one.
In all those games I saw even aspas do bad sometimes, but I honestly don't recall a match where I thought "dude, less really need to get in the server or else it's done".
He may not be the highlight player in every match, but IMO Less is the best, and most consistent, BR valorant player ever.

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titanwithpp

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BR valorant player sure, IMO aspas is the best BR player but nAts is someone who has been a consistent player since the beginning.

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cbitgg

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agreed about nats consistency, and that is why today's match will be such a banger, less vs nats will be so spicy to watch

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lorenzopajaroFC

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Want a fun fact? less has achieved more in a shorter career than mr consistent nats

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cbitgg

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Less is more.

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lorenzopajaroFC

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“Even if TL is doing shit nats does the best”

proceeds to botfrag

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Peteer

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Bro, Tuyz and soulcas are equal

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BrotherMan

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Nats > less
Says < aspas
Redgar < Saadhak
Jamppi < cauanzin
Soulcas <= tuyz

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alecksdesk

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EDG vs PRX clears

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hfmdzj314

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Loud wins. Sadly Liquid are domestic merchants that turn into a GC team whenever they play internationally.

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Gutssz

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bro said Jamppi is mid... clearly never watched him

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sutta

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Jamppi was a bot in 2021 but he has improved now

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WinterZ20

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swr

all those people saying that hes mid are braindead. Jamppi has proven time and time again that he is world class and still people hate after 1 bad performance

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Kirya

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bro said battle of the best igls

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WinterZ20

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Sayf =< aspas (on a good day Sayf can be better tho)
nAts > Less
Jamppi > cauanzin
Redgar < saadhak (thats in terms of firepower, in IGL abilities theyre more or less even tho)
soulcas >= tuyz (put soulcas slightly above cuz theres always a slight chance that he pops off whereas tuyz cant do that, on most days tho theyre even)

Liquid team chem >>> LOUD team chem

overall Liquid wins 2-0 mid diff

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nutab1e

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bro thinks sayf is gonna play jett 😹 shatpiiss took that from him 😹

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lorenzopajaroFC

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Less can win three champions dropping 100 in each finals and shitmea fans would still say nats is better after he gets 2 exits

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cbitgg

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É o que o gaules fala, pra gente a regua é sempre muito mais alta. Pra gente ser considerado "bom" a gente tem que ser mais que excepcional.