NAVI should have been 2nd superteam

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valulrantefanboy

Right ? They have same talented players as Fnatic, maybe IGL only problem ?

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FoechiGG

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The calling was so ass this masters

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amyayayy

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not igl problem, just trolled for way too long and then had to face edg when they were blessed by god and couldnt adapt fast enough

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danii1

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EDG weren't even playing that good against NAVI. It was just pure chaos that game. But EDG improved a lot since that win.

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naTHROW vincere

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sentinelmain377

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they are probly better than DRX and LOUD at this event

sad that they were just trolling in EMEA with the seedings so they got fkd by EDG

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Yistyy

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This team is just shao and co.
But mainly they have role problems and dogshit comps

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valulrantefanboy

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shao, suy , cned, zyppan all top players in region bro

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Yistyy

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Even if that's the case their roles and agent picks are some of the worst I've seen in a minute

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Fnatic have better and smarter players, NAVI has insane players but Fnatic are at least a tier above and tbh Cned doesnt make much sense to me, I wanted NAVI to get Twisten before this season but :(

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valulrantefanboy

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Cned is top player of region bro , twisten with all respect wasnt like that. Only zyppan might not as good as Chronicle but still decent

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idkbro

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I think Twisten was better than Cned and had more potential, as you said these are all top players in the region and even in the world but there is tiers to this shit. A comparison would be: While Fnatic has Messi, NaVi has Robben. All top players but Fnatic ones are better, also:

Fnatic has smarter players that can think for themselves.
NaVi apart from Ange1 and Shao the other 3 are insane individually but they arent the smartest players
NaVi roles dont even make sense, Cned can only play 1 agent properly and Zyppan isnt that comfortable outside of Raze/Kayo.

So what I would do is:
1- Replace Cned and Zyppan and get a duelist that can play both Jett/Raze and a top flex player. Before there was Twisten but now he passed away so this option becomes harder since there arent many european duelists that can play both jett/raze at the level NaVi needs
2- Replace Cned and get a good jett player but who can also flex and Zyppan goes back to Raze/Kayo/Flex roles.

Also I hope they stop experimenting so much with roles and comps, they do some really weird shit

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BattleCry

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Thing is cned is useless without jett, best is to drop cned

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trola

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they were trying to be different too much.

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put fns on navi and they will win champs. forget fns even bonecold works bro ange1 aim is fine for a igl but his so bad at calling can't even read anti eco rounds navi always going to into full sites and if they win it is probably mechanical diff by players. 0 igl impact

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They got gamed on by EDG

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They did too much experimenting and it bit them in the ass

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It was the strats. Huge problems with roles as well, angel was putting players out of their best roles for no reason at all.
And cned needs to work really hard on other agents besides jett, esp raze. But yeah mainly stop randomly changing comps and start working and perfecting ur best way of playing

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BattleCry

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Maybe aradis should come back

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IGL isn't everything, they have some role and agent pool problems. Ange1 refused to have any player become good at skye and breach and now they're the 2 best initiators(or at least 2/3) in this meta. zyppan isn't good on skye, no one plays breach, and their duelist usually isn't great at Raze. Maybe if they added sayf and had Shao on skye more they'd be much better.