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Sacy/Less timeline for non-Brazilian

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Ricardo_Ereto69

If you want to understand everything read until the end.

This is the timeline for non-Brazilian people to understand what happened to Sacy and Less (The video where Less talks about the situation is in Portuguese so many outsiders think it's silly, or that it's just loud fans crying, but it's not.)

  • Just remembering that Less was 16 when he joined loud and I'm not a Loud fan or a Sacy fan -

0 - Sacy was a toxic person with less and it hurt his performance and his mind. That's a fact (Sacy said that Less hadn't forgiven him in his first Sentinels live, admitting that he did something bad to him, in addition to repeating that he would do it again in a recent live).

You can easily understand the timeline just following the team last year, the only thing missing was the less declaration (which was released yesterday on loud's channel)

1 - In the first masters he performed well (loud took a psychologist).

2 - In the second masters Less said that he performed badly because of his mental health, he also said that at the time he thought of giving up and thought that he was not good enough because someone on the team put all the blame and weight on him (loud not took a psychologist).

2,5 - In the video published by loud where Less' testimony is shown, he says that he only returned to performing well after Saadhak spoke to him and tried to understand what was going on and make him feel better.

3 - After Saadhak talked to Less, his performance and his mental improved and they were champions. In this tournament, Loud took a psychologist.

4 - Less this year has been performing much better than last year besides being a leader for the younger boys (tuyz and cauanzin), but this is due a lot to saadhak's work to recover the mind that sacy destroyed.

  • The information I put in this text is mostly taken from the players' own mouths and from speeches they had during the respective time periods. As I consume a lot of Valorant content, it wasn't difficult to connect the dots and understand everything.

MY OPINION

Charges exist and must be made, but when this becomes excessive to the point of becoming a toxic environment, things are not on track.

Most of the Brazilian teams that were world champions didn't stay at the top for a long time, and that has a very clear reason. Teams that are built on pressure and toxicity are likely to be short-lived even if they make it to the top, because the players' mindsets can't withstand that long in such an environment. Sacy can be a good person in many ways and with many people, but with Less he didn't do it right.

For those who think I'm exaggerating, Sutecas (ex-vks) had his career ruined because of his mental illness after the champions, he did a live today and even cried in his statement saying that he had proposals, but he was unable to play so much so that his mind was destroyed.

People on this site saying that Sacy is right is a reflection of how people here are immediate in results and see players as emotionless machines.

There are a lot of things I left out not to extend the text further, but I never even wrote a word of hate and I never felt anything bad about Sacy, but Less' testimony was very serious and raised issues that are not normally discussed.

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brazil fnatic fan?

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RockawayKidz [#2]

brazil fnatic fan?

everyone loves their father

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I'm here to tell you right now , we don't care BAHAHAH we don' care.

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Cade a prova do q vc disse? '''sacy disse q o less não perdou ele'' prova?

Where is the proof of what you said? "Sacy said that Less didn't forgive him" proof?

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RockawayKidz [#2]

brazil fnatic fan?

Why not? All fnatic members turned out to be very good people and they are very good

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🤓 buuu but they won champiuns!!!!!🤓🤓🤓

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we starting from episode 0

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source: it was revealed to me in a dream

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burritx [#9]

source: it was revealed to me in a dream

informações tiradas do cu

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AladdinINSANE [#5]

Cade a prova do q vc disse? '''sacy disse q o less não perdou ele'' prova?

Where is the proof of what you said? "Sacy said that Less didn't forgive him" proof?

I won't find the clip because I didn't, but I was on live and he thought about calling less to play, right after he said that.

I have more than 160k points on his live, I'm not being mean or telling lies, and I don't have any anger at Sacy.

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AladdinINSANE [#10]

informações tiradas do cu

se voce quer procurar o clipe vai lá procurar rei, primeira live dele na sentinels ele pssou o mouse em cima do nome do less e disse isso

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#12]

se voce quer procurar o clipe vai lá procurar rei, primeira live dele na sentinels ele pssou o mouse em cima do nome do less e disse isso

vc q disse, vc q prova

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AladdinINSANE [#13]

vc q disse, vc q prova

eu fui até lá pra pegar o clipe, mas ele apagou a vod

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#14]

eu fui até lá pra pegar o clipe, mas ele apagou a vod

pelo seu esforço eu acredito em vc

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burritx [#9]

source: it was revealed to me in a dream

source: trust me bro

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AladdinINSANE [#15]

pelo seu esforço eu acredito em vc

Eu lembro pq eu achei estranho ele falar isso na época e não entendi o que ele quis dizer com isso, agora q saiu tudo esse momento veio na minha mente, eu tenho 160k de ponto na live do sacy sem apostar, oq eu tenho de hora assistida desse maluco é brincadeira

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#11]

I won't find the clip because I didn't, but I was on live and he thought about calling less to play, right after he said that.

I have more than 160k points on his live, I'm not being mean or telling lies, and I don't have any anger at Sacy.

Sacy meant Less didn't forgive him for going to Sentinels, I saw that live too. It has nothing to do with toxicity

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BronzilianYoru [#18]

Sacy meant Less didn't forgive him for going to Sentinels, I saw that live too. It has nothing to do with toxicity

tradução errada do google tradudor, o sacy disse em pt: acho que ele ainda não me perdoou

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its a

LLAT

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qual a necessidade de traduzir pro inglês e inteirar os gringos desse drama? kkkk

incrível como tem muito brasileiro carente, querendo atenção de gringo...

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so many brazilian fake flaggers kekw

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What makes no sense is that both in Vikings and LOUD Saadhak always knew how Sacy was, and Sacy said many times Saadhak did the same.

So why is the fault only going for Sacy though? Sutecas didn't point his finger to anyone on his old roster but implied things were everyone's fault.
Also, shaW (old Gamelanders Coach) tweeted this (https://twitter.com/shaw_vlr/status/1651250385644814337 tl: "let me open a stream here to talk about what happened to me and farm some subs") implying sutecas is not a saint in this story?

With all this being said, it surprises me people are actually trying to defend Sacy/Less/saad and even LOUD staff. To me it seems everyone has a fault in all of this and no one is actually an angel.

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Jawa [#21]

qual a necessidade de traduzir pro inglês e inteirar os gringos desse drama? kkkk

incrível como tem muito brasileiro carente, querendo atenção de gringo...

porque muito brasileiro já fez isso ontem falando merda pra caralho

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Jawa [#21]

qual a necessidade de traduzir pro inglês e inteirar os gringos desse drama? kkkk

incrível como tem muito brasileiro carente, querendo atenção de gringo...

tem que inteirar os gringos porque infelizmente 95% dos brasileiros desse site tem 0 empatia e noção básica social.
tanto que o ponto dessa thread suponho que foi corrigir as fake news e mentiras que os fanboys do sacy tavam passando e fazendo parecer que é algo muito menos sério do que realmente é.

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LuffyVlr [#23]

What makes no sense is that both in Vikings and LOUD Saadhak always knew how Sacy was, and Sacy said many times Saadhak did the same.

So why is the fault only going for Sacy though? Sutecas didn't point his finger to anyone on his old roster but implied things were everyone's fault.
Also, shaW (old Gamelanders Coach) tweeted this (https://twitter.com/shaw_vlr/status/1651250385644814337 tl: "let me open a stream here to talk about what happened to me and farm some subs") implying sutecas is not a saint in this story?

With all this being said, it surprises me people are actually trying to defend Sacy/Less/saad and even LOUD staff. To me it seems everyone has a fault in all of this and no one is actually an angel.

no one is an angel, i just said that what sacy did was wrong, everyone makes mistakes

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fmadwerdna [#25]

tem que inteirar os gringos porque infelizmente 95% dos brasileiros desse site tem 0 empatia e noção básica social.
tanto que o ponto dessa thread suponho que foi corrigir as fake news e mentiras que os fanboys do sacy tavam passando e fazendo parecer que é algo muito menos sério do que realmente é.

exatamente.

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#24]

porque muito brasileiro já fez isso ontem falando merda pra caralho

por isso falei "tem muito brasileiro", isso vale pra eles também

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#26]

no one is an angel, i just said that what sacy did was wrong, everyone makes mistakes

Yes exactly. But the story is being told in a way to put the blame only on sacy's shoulders, when in reality, LOUD staff and Saadhak were aware of it all. So why chose to upload that kind of video now though?

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LuffyVlr [#29]

Yes exactly. But the story is being told in a way to put the blame only on sacy's shoulders, when in reality, LOUD staff and Saadhak were aware of it all. So why chose to upload that kind of video now though?

I only put sacy because there is no need to say anything about Saadhak since Less said that it was Saad who went to talk to him to improve things

Sacy did not recognize his own mistake while Saad did, everyone makes mistakes, but only those who regret their mistakes deserve forgiveness

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LuffyVlr [#23]

What makes no sense is that both in Vikings and LOUD Saadhak always knew how Sacy was, and Sacy said many times Saadhak did the same.

So why is the fault only going for Sacy though? Sutecas didn't point his finger to anyone on his old roster but implied things were everyone's fault.
Also, shaW (old Gamelanders Coach) tweeted this (https://twitter.com/shaw_vlr/status/1651250385644814337 tl: "let me open a stream here to talk about what happened to me and farm some subs") implying sutecas is not a saint in this story?

With all this being said, it surprises me people are actually trying to defend Sacy/Less/saad and even LOUD staff. To me it seems everyone has a fault in all of this and no one is actually an angel.

"única culpa"? KKKKKKKKKK, parece que tá se fazendo de cego das bilhões de threads que foram criadas em 2 dias culpando o less e tentando justificar o peso mental que ele teve só porque ganhou o torneio, além de várias outras merdas tmb...
o próprio shaw que vc mostrou o tweet disse em outro post que não sabe de nenhum lado das histórias, só tweetou pra ganhar like msm
mas ai, agora eu pergunto, se o sutecas abriu live pra pegar sub pq ele chorou? devia entrar na globo com essa "atuação" insana ai
e n entendi tmb, como ele ia se pronunciar nessa historia sem farmar alguma coisa? se tivesse falado no twitter ia ser farm de follower e like? n entendi n hduwaudhawd

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fmadwerdna [#31]

"única culpa"? KKKKKKKKKK, parece que tá se fazendo de cego das bilhões de threads que foram criadas em 2 dias culpando o less e tentando justificar o peso mental que ele teve só porque ganhou o torneio, além de várias outras merdas tmb...
o próprio shaw que vc mostrou o tweet disse em outro post que não sabe de nenhum lado das histórias, só tweetou pra ganhar like msm
mas ai, agora eu pergunto, se o sutecas abriu live pra pegar sub pq ele chorou? devia entrar na globo com essa "atuação" insana ai
e n entendi tmb, como ele ia se pronunciar nessa historia sem farmar alguma coisa? se tivesse falado no twitter ia ser farm de follower e like? n entendi n hduwaudhawd

Vai saber primo. Eu não sei de porra nenhuma, mas diferente de vc e outras pessoas por aqui e pelo twitter, não to botando culpa em ninguém e nem botando minha mão no fogo por ninguém.
A gente não conhece essas pessoas pessoalmente pra ficar defendendo/atacando elas desse jeito igual um bando de cachorro doido. Queria eu que todo mundo só ficasse quieto e deixasse essa porra pra lá, mas vão ficar falando disso por dias ainda.

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#26]

no one is an angel, i just said that what sacy did was wrong, everyone makes mistakes

https://www.vlr.gg/player/109/ange1

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#19]

tradução errada do google tradudor, o sacy disse em pt: acho que ele ainda não me perdoou

?

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?

é impossível entender de outra forma depois de ter o contexto por trás

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Adi69LassiSeller [#33]

https://www.vlr.gg/player/109/ange1

bro 💀

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Good explanation but um Sacy> Less.

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As a Brazilian, I agree

I'm supporting Sacy 🗿

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fmadwerdna [#25]

tem que inteirar os gringos porque infelizmente 95% dos brasileiros desse site tem 0 empatia e noção básica social.
tanto que o ponto dessa thread suponho que foi corrigir as fake news e mentiras que os fanboys do sacy tavam passando e fazendo parecer que é algo muito menos sério do que realmente é.

na verdade, ninguém aqui tem que inteirar os gringos de nada

além disso, o OP tá expressando a opinião dele de forma enviesada, do ponto de vista de alguém que sabe apenas de poucos detalhes e quase nenhum fato. Não tá em posição de mostrar a realidade pra ninguém, visto que ninguém aqui sabe o que de fato aconteceu

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all this drama has me learning so much portugese so fast, gonna be able to visit rio soon

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#35]

é impossível entender de outra forma depois de ter o contexto por trás

discordo, acho que tu tá vendo fundo demais nas coisas

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Im confused Sacy is toxic? and made fun of Less? Did Less say this? Donde esta source/proof

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Domination [#38]

As a Brazilian, I agree

I'm supporting Sacy 🗿

based

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Jawa [#39]

na verdade, ninguém aqui tem que inteirar os gringos de nada

além disso, o OP tá expressando a opinião dele de forma enviesada, do ponto de vista de alguém que sabe apenas de poucos detalhes e quase nenhum fato. Não tá em posição de mostrar a realidade pra ninguém, visto que ninguém aqui sabe o que de fato aconteceu

eu literalmente escrevi gigantesco em caps lock MINHA OPINIÃO e dps dei

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#44]

eu literalmente escrevi gigantesco em caps lock MINHA OPINIÃO e dps dei

e eu literalmente escrevi que você tá expressando sua opinião

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Im confused Sacy is toxic? and made fun of Less? Did Less say this? Donde esta source/proof

I didn't put a source because the video is in Portuguese and has no subtitles, but here's the video of less
https://youtu.be/6wC8fZdor6E

Sutecas talking about the VKS era
https://twitter.com/pudimvlr/status/1651243054764814337?s=20

Sacy mocking the situation
https://twitter.com/danxispe/status/1651051079155458049?s=20

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I'm here to tell you right now , we don't care BAHAHAH we don' care.

flag checks out with ur brainded comment

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#26]

no one is an angel, i just said that what sacy did was wrong, everyone makes mistakes

🫵🤡

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#30]

I only put sacy because there is no need to say anything about Saadhak since Less said that it was Saad who went to talk to him to improve things

Sacy did not recognize his own mistake while Saad did, everyone makes mistakes, but only those who regret their mistakes deserve forgiveness

🫵🤡

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SkinsNoSkills [#47]

flag checks out with ur brainded comment

you are NOT american.

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BronzilianYoru [#41]

discordo, acho que tu tá vendo fundo demais nas coisas

mostrem logo essa merda de clipe, achem a live e provem, p acusar algm dessas coisas tem q no minimo ter provas, cade elas?

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Delusional_SA_fan [#50]

you are NOT american.

flag checks out

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cocoluna [#42]

Im confused Sacy is toxic? and made fun of Less? Did Less say this? Donde esta source/proof

🫵🤡

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mostrem logo essa merda de clipe, achem a live e provem, p acusar algm dessas coisas tem q no minimo ter provas, cade elas?

Eu fui procurar, mas ele apagou o vod. Fica a seu critério acreditar ou não, mas eu n tenho nenhum motivo pra mentir ou atacar o sacy, nem ataquei a pessoa dele

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Jawa [#45]

e eu literalmente escrevi que você tá expressando sua opinião

então estamos de acordo

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🫵🤡

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SENTINELA_SACY_FAN [#49]

🫵🤡

Eu não neguei que ele era pior ou melhor, mas de acordo com o próprio Less ele só melhorou porque o Saad foi conversar com ele, enquanto o Sacy disse ontem que faria tudo de novo.

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#46]

I didn't put a source because the video is in Portuguese and has no subtitles, but here's the video of less
https://youtu.be/6wC8fZdor6E

Sutecas talking about the VKS era
https://twitter.com/pudimvlr/status/1651243054764814337?s=20

Sacy mocking the situation
https://twitter.com/danxispe/status/1651051079155458049?s=20

Well I can’t understand so I will trust you

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🫵🤡

Por isso que o brasil nunca manteve um time no topo do mundo por um grande tempo, só porque é comum não quer dizer que é certo. Não é difícil ler o que eu escrevi no final, mas eu sei que pode ser complicado pra usuários do vlr entenderem já que todo mundo é imediatista e cuzão

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appreciate the effort but idrc abt their drama, who's wrong and who's right, they're still a great player.

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#59]

Por isso que o brasil nunca manteve um time no topo do mundo por um grande tempo, só porque é comum não quer dizer que é certo. Não é difícil ler o que eu escrevi no final, mas eu sei que pode ser complicado pra usuários do vlr entenderem já que todo mundo é imediatista e cuzão

🫵🤡

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appreciate the effort but idrc abt their drama, who's wrong and who's right, they're still a great player.

Depending on your degree of empathy, it could be wrong or it could be right, but for me Sacy was wrong.

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pitchfork [#60]

appreciate the effort but idrc abt their drama, who's wrong and who's right, they're still a great player.

🫵🤡

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SENTINELA_SACY_FAN [#61]

🫵🤡

Eu respondi apenas a parte que voce diz que acontece em todos os times, voce tira suas próprias conclusões de quem tá certo e quem tá errado.

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#64]

Eu respondi apenas a parte que voce diz que acontece em todos os times, voce tira suas próprias conclusões de quem tá certo e quem tá errado.

🫵🤡

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LOUD when coming to America: We don’t want to be in any of NA’s drama

LOUD since being in NA: Bringing only more drama

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SENTINELA_SACY_FAN [#63]

🫵🤡

to me this is more like their personal problems (sacy and less), public doesn't have to know more but idk maybe this is just some marketing from loud side.

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SkinsNoSkills [#47]

flag checks out with ur brainded comment

While i dont agree with him, american speaking down based on nationality? lmfao

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SENTINELA_SACY_FAN [#65]

🫵🤡

Onde eu disse que não tomei um lado? eu literalmente disse que para mim o sacy está errado.

Não me acho especial, muito pelo contrário eu sou apenas mais uma agulha em um palheiro, no mundo ideal eu não escreveria esse texto porque ninguém ficaria discutindo essa merda, mas não estamos no mundo ideal e eu achei injusto o pessoal no vlr falar merda do Less sendo que o culpado de toda essa treta é a LOUD que soltou o vídeo. Eu normalmente não tomo partido em nada e prefiro não comentar, assim como eu nunca tinha falado nada sobre esse assunto se não explodisse isso em todos os lugares.

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to me this is more like their personal problems (sacy and less), public doesn't have to know more but idk maybe this is just some marketing from loud side.

🫵🤡

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#69]

Onde eu disse que não tomei um lado? eu literalmente disse que para mim o sacy está errado.

Não me acho especial, muito pelo contrário eu sou apenas mais uma agulha em um palheiro, no mundo ideal eu não escreveria esse texto porque ninguém ficaria discutindo essa merda, mas não estamos no mundo ideal e eu achei injusto o pessoal no vlr falar merda do Less sendo que o culpado de toda essa treta é a LOUD que soltou o vídeo. Eu normalmente não tomo partido em nada e prefiro não comentar, assim como eu nunca tinha falado nada sobre esse assunto se não explodisse isso em todos os lugares.

🫵🤡

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common sacy W

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SENTINELA_SACY_FAN [#70]

🫵🤡

then definitely marketing from loud. personally i dont like these type of clout chasing but i understand why brazilians are very invested.

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Ricardo_Ereto69 [#69]

Onde eu disse que não tomei um lado? eu literalmente disse que para mim o sacy está errado.

Não me acho especial, muito pelo contrário eu sou apenas mais uma agulha em um palheiro, no mundo ideal eu não escreveria esse texto porque ninguém ficaria discutindo essa merda, mas não estamos no mundo ideal e eu achei injusto o pessoal no vlr falar merda do Less sendo que o culpado de toda essa treta é a LOUD que soltou o vídeo. Eu normalmente não tomo partido em nada e prefiro não comentar, assim como eu nunca tinha falado nada sobre esse assunto se não explodisse isso em todos os lugares.

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SkinsNoSkills [#52]

flag checks out

and yours doesn't . LMFAO

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Delusional_SA_fan [#4]

I'm here to tell you right now , we don't care BAHAHAH we don' care.

Another Indian with usual braindead comment
& then they cry abt getting hate xd

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Delusional_SA_fan [#75]

and yours doesn't . LMFAO

cant get enough attention kid?

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SkinsNoSkills [#77]

cant get enough attention kid?

mad?

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