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Why the fk TSM gets the most difficult team out of the 4 lmao...Always the same shit bruh
Edit: It actually turned out to be better lol. Now they play against the loser from C9 vs ADX, which is better than playing against NRG or SEN

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actually true though rofl

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???? They didn't get SEN? R u serious

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They come from the same qualifier, course they won't get SEN. R u serious

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sen was not in challengers 1... so they wouldnt have faced sentinels regardless

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immortals > sen? no no no

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Sen comes from the same qualifier lol. TSM got the toughest team out of those 4.

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i mean c9 defeated imm so...

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C9 is so much fucking better than IMT rn so ur wrong.

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beb0p didnt expect this from you.. since you follow scene this much you shouldve known how bracket works

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TSM luck is always fucked.

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it has nothing to do with luck, the matchups are not random it is based on seeding from the qualifiers

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Why tf is this a question when there is a losers bracket? There's also 4 qualifier spots, both for LB finals and WB finals...

If a team cannot qualify with this type of elimination structure because they fell into LB, they likely did not deserve qualifying anyways.

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here we go again

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Rematch... TSM wins these no cap... hopefully

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Lmao.... Cmon brother... TSM win these... Have confindence xD

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#TSMWIN 2-1 LESSSSSSSSS GOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Damn crazy matchup in the first round. I got TSM tho 2-1 but its going to be close.

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Immortals beat TSM 13-1 and 13-6, 2 weeks ago. I say IMT takes this series again 2-1.

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That was 2 weeks ago... doesn't look like u saw today's game

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doesn't seem like you've seen TSM this entire year...In all seriousness, despite them looking good today, I still think IMT has the edge over TSM, they know how to counter wardell op and will have more VODs to review

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Ima come to this all yall haters trippin

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if you look at the head to head between tsm and immortals tsm has won the majority of their matchups. they only lost as bad as they did in the last match up because they swapped their igl (hazed) with brax, comms were probably bad and plays may have not been coordinated because of this. there was also very poor individual performance from wardell and subroza. wardell couldnt hit any op shots and it wasn't even because they were countering him, he was just simply whiffing. however now they have returned to their original lineup (with hazed) and switched subroza to play skye where he has had a massive improvement in performance. this series will most likely be very different from the last.

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Yes Wardell and Roza popped off but GenG lowkey looked ass today, this was prolly one of their worst showings.

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yup i did watch it, one match doesn't prove that TSM can be consistently good unlike Immortals who have been much more consistent as of this year

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#TSMWIN

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TSM 2-0 immortals average team jcStani really needs to be on for them to win but he is kinda ass so

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Another shit take

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NSG_Observer_2 doesn't specialized in funny shit takes, he specializes in just regular shitty ones.

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I have my final exams when they are playing so if they lose here then my disappointment will be doubled Sadge

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Bro you expecting to flop your exams? cmon man TSM win, you pass.. Lesgo!!!!

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YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA, THATS THE SPIRIT!!!!!!!!

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Hey right there with you, I have finals too

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If TSM plays like they did today it'll be a simple 2-0

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Dude what's ur name? That's so out of date lol

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tsm fans still gotta keep it in mind

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it's funny to see 100t fans pressed

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TSM 2-1

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this take might actually come true....

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fuck it, subroza and wardell are hot, Cutler isn’t being a total bot, i’m predicting a TSM win. i really shouldn’t get my hopes up to be crushed again... sigh.

It’s nice to see TSM finally win against quality opponents again. First Soniqs, who aren’t insane but still a quality team, and now Gen.G, both quality wins

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Haha same brotha. #TSMWIN for sure

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Redemption game for TSM

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If Wardell decides to go crazy again this will be a easy 2-0 for TSM, if it’s normal TSM i expect an IMT win

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I mean normal TSM is insanely good. If we're talking about recent TSM then we can expect IMT to win since recent TSM has been pretty terrible but If they keep up what they are doing right now I feel they could go back to where they used to be.

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Immortals will probably win if they are smart enough to counter WARDELL, Unless roza pops off.

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Also why is drone not on Phoenix nowdays? He was the probably the best phoenix NA( maybe behind SicK).

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Drone wasn't fragging out on Phoenix and he wasn't comfortable playing any other duelist so they had to put him on another set of agent to improve the versatility on TSM side.

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Drone had been kinda stagnant on Phoenix recently, and he still balls out on Sova. I’m totally fine with that move. His Raze was good yesterday, too.

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He didnt play raze, sova all the way

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Drone played Raze on Split, but not yesterday. Two days ago I think, my bad.

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IMT 2-1 TSM
Unless Wardell and Subroza's Ramadan buffs don't expire I predict IMT 2-1. But if they are still there TSM 2-0

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I think the problem just comes down to the strats and IGL tbh. Even C9 won against Immortals and I don't think C9's aim is better than TSM. TSM just has bad in-game reactions and it seems like the IGL is always lost as well lol.

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Hazed has been IGL-ing over Cutler recently, hopefully that continues. His leadership compliments Subroza a lot more.

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TSM is always easy to lose focus when playing, and when they lose a few rounds, they have a hard time getting up and winning the other rounds. in the last match against Gen.G, TSM lost 5 consecutive rounds in the haven map, that's a worry. although in the end they were able to win. The appearance of TSM is always like that.
that's just my opinion after seeing TSM's game after they lost by 100T in First Strike final. After that, their appearance was extremely unstable. even though in 2020, their performances / games are good and stable, for example by beating Sentinels, C9B, etc., in various tournaments and winning tournaments.

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Yes, have to agree here. They’re very momentum based, losing and winning rounds in big chunks. For example, they started 5-0 against LG on Ascent and proceeded to lose 6 in a row (later losing the game itself).

Gen.G scared me on both maps for that reason. 9-0 finished as a 13-6, and 9-3 ended as a 13-9. However, these games may actually help TSM’s mental. They’ve proven to themselves that they can hold off a mid-map surge from their opponent and prevent a comeback.

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2-1 if nature plays, 2-0 tsm otherwise

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IMT take this one

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ShoT_Up vs. WARDELL anime battle? Yes please. IMT probably takes the dub here though let's be honest.

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Immortals is a weird one. Like they've lost to teams like C9 and LG (no offense to LG) but then occasionally beat Envy and Sentinels.

Not sure how much I should consider the last match up between Immortals vs TSM cause that just looked like a hard throw or a very bad showing.

I'd say TSM 2-1 just based off of the GenG game. Not sure how much I should consider that game either though Wardell looked solid. Subroza found a decent amount of consistency in that game as well.

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#TSMWIN

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#TSMWIN LETS GET THE W BOIS

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#TSM WIN RAMZAN BUFFFF

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is Nature playing ?

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tsm needs to win this or they will have a hard time in the lower bracket w/ the upset potential of all of these teams.

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TSM 2-0 maybe... God I swear to God that they win

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IMT 2:O really easy!

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this aged well (edit: wtf happened)

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mmm aged well, your comment has not

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TSM IS BACC????
Edit:WTF HAPPENED

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hazed and cutler plssssss

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tarik

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Bruh wtf. Replace hazed cutler today, not tomorrow.

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Why isn't brax / hazed in. Also how u blow a 5-0 lead on one of ur best maps

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This guy cutler is 2-15. I am not good but give me a judge and boathouse and ill get more than 2 kills

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WTF TSM

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OMG cutler sabotaging

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Fuck my life... Cutler needs to be taken tf out... he doesn't bring anything to the table that Brax doesn't have... Brax has better mechanics and game sense no cap

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this guy went 2 and fucking 16. ACS 55

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this ain't looking good
Acent tsm's best map

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I started taking a test when it was 5-0, and I come back to that..... :/

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welp kind of expected
we take next maps? lmfao kekw

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ShoT_Up’s show today baby

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Another 2:0 game. So sad. Hope TSM can destroy lower bracket

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What did I just watch omg

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HOLY SHIT TSM

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Why is cutler still in team, dont get it.

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Good old problems from TSM yet again. When they start losing, they do not know how to recover and it's always only Drone getting some picks. Subroza and Wardell unable to open up space while Cutler and Hazed are just losing gun fights. I just don't see any possibilities from this roster to compete at the highest level again.

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No shot they lost 11 straight LMFAO

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I HAVE LOST HOPE WITH T1, TSM, AND FAZE CLAN! 100T IS MY ONLY HOPE!!!

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100T will show up theyre just diff

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Cutler OMEGALUL

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Come on TSM!

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okay immortals looking like how to play T side, that might go domination on icebox (edit:okay instantly cursed them lul)

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imagine starting cutler over brax OMEGALUL

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this aged well

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They should drop cutler for brax

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100T only consistent team in NA rn???? It's looking like so.
Valorant is still so new to the competitive scene that we legit don't know what to expect...
Either way it's entertaining.

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Even 100t has had their fair share of inconsistency, although Ethan has proven to be a great pickup. Definitely agree on the entertainment point!

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Bruh just forget about XSET and Nv... anyways it was only 1 map... do u think 100T wins every map they play?

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CUTLER 🚫
BRAX 👍

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brax isnt a smoke player hes a sentinal player so it wont work out

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Can easily put hazed on smoker then brax play sentinel, no? So obvious

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LETS GOOO. 1 More #TSMWIN

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#TSMWIN 2-1

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idk who played better cutler on map 1 or kehmicals on map 2

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As said by wardell "Keep hating and we keep winning"... thats why I'm hating boys... thats how TSM wins... root against them let's goo

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Welp we got map 2 Let's see who closes this out. GG's to all

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TSM can't possibly go against IMT until like lower finals if they make it because of how the brackets work.

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really? so i guess the loser between C9 vs AndBox goes against the winner of BBG vs TSM? (assuming TSM goes to lower brackets after losing vs Immortals)

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Bro why are people so pressed if someone bottom frags? Like kills are not the only thing that matter and its not worth sending players death threats and harassing them.

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of course its not worth it. People that do that (death threats and harassing) are just plain stupid fks. But I think decent critiques (what the majority is doing) should be done for the better.

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BRUH KAIN SAID TSM GONNA WIN

XDDD

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this take might actually come true....

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Don’t overthink boys. IMT will smash TSM on bind

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Bruh shot up plays on 0 ping this is just not fair... how is anyone gonna be able to win a 1v1 against him lmfao

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I have counted the crucial fights that Cutler lost and he lost 4 gun fights that could've won them the round... Sadge, what can I say.

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He plays on 80+ ping u try to win a gunfight when the entire enemy team has 20 ping lmfao

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0 ping fucking warriors.... this is why they get shit on teams that live near Central

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Last time IMT beat TSM it was beacause Brax was playing instead of Hazed, now its because IMT has less ping than TSM. Pick an excuse!

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No way you're this delusional. TSM lost bc they suck, not bc of ping

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Tf... u try playing on 80+ ping lmfao... come back to me once u try

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We didn't even get to use Skye and Sova ult :( the positioning was just bad. I think they just didn't make up their mind to either retake site or fight together. But very good game tho, at least its not a blowout. We go to lower brackets boys.

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Good old days when Immortals would play like the current Renegades lol.

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g fucking g

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TSM XD

	reltuC TSM	hazed TSM	WARDELL TSM	Subroza TSM	Drone TSM
Rossy IMT	8 3 +5	3 12 -9	6 5 +1	13 10 +3	12 11 +1
Kehmicals IMT	10 3 +7	9 3 +6	11 10 +1	5 11 -6	9 11 -2
ShoT_UP IMT	16 7 +9	20 8 +12	12 12 +0	9 8 +1	6 10 -4
jcStani IMT	11 7 +4	9 6 +3	8 12 -4	8 5 +3	6 16 -10
Genghsta IMT	5 3 +2	6 5 +1	7 11 -4	13 8 +5	14 9 +5

	reltuC TSM	hazed TSM	WARDELL TSM	Subroza TSM	Drone TSM
Rossy IMT	2 1 +1	0 1 -1	1 1 +0	1 0 +1	2 0 +2
Kehmicals IMT			2 1 +1	2 1 +1
ShoT_UP IMT	2 3 -1	5 2 +3	1 2 -1	1 1 +0	0 2 -2
jcStani IMT	3 0 +3	2 0 +2	4 6 -2	3 1 +2	0 2 -2
Genghsta IMT		2 1 +1	0 2 -2	1 1 +0	1 2 -1

	reltuC TSM	hazed TSM	WARDELL TSM	Subroza TSM	Drone TSM
Rossy IMT			0 4 -4
Kehmicals IMT			0 3 -3
ShoT_UP IMT			0 7 -7
jcStani IMT	3 0 +3	1 0 +1	1 6 -5	3 0 +3	1 0 +1
Genghsta IMT			0 4 -4

	2K	3K	4K	5K	1v1	1v3	ECON	PL	DE
jcStani IMT	9	1					51	2	0
Genghsta IMT	9	2			1		52	2	5
Rossy IMT	10	1			1		42	13	2
ShoT_UP IMT	13	4	2				68	3	1
Kehmicals IMT	12	2					50	5	1
Drone TSM	10	4	2			1	72	5	2
WARDELL TSM	10	3	2		2		48	3	0
reltuC TSM	4						29	2	0
hazed TSM	3	1		1	2		44	5	3
Subroza TSM	10		1				47	7	3

	reltuC TSM	hazed TSM	WARDELL TSM	Subroza TSM	Drone TSM
Rossy IMT	4 0 +4	1 2 -1	2 1 +1	4 2 +2	5 4 +1
Kehmicals IMT	6 0 +6	6 1 +5	5 3 +2	2 1 +1	4 2 +2
ShoT_UP IMT	1 0 +1	5 2 +3	3 2 +1	3 3 +0	2 3 -1
jcStani IMT	5 1 +4	2 2 +0	2 2 +0	2 2 +0	1 5 -4
Genghsta IMT	0 1 -1	3 0 +3	3 2 +1	4 3 +1	3 2 +1

	2K	3K	4K	1v1	ECON	PL	DE
jcStani IMT	4 Round 7 hazed WARDELL Round 10 reltuC Drone Round 13 reltuC WARDELL Round 18 Subroza reltuC				55	1	0
Genghsta IMT	3 Round 11 hazed Drone Round 12 Subroza WARDELL Round 14 hazed WARDELL				53	0	0
Rossy IMT	5 Round 4 hazed WARDELL Round 5 Subroza Drone Round 6 Subroza Drone Round 7 Drone Subroza Round 16 reltuC Drone				61	3	2
ShoT_UP IMT	4 Round 8 hazed Subroza Round 13 Drone hazed Round 16 WARDELL hazed Round 18 hazed Drone				67	1	1
Kehmicals IMT	8 Round 3 hazed Subroza Round 5 hazed reltuC Round 6 hazed WARDELL Round 8 WARDELL reltuC Round 9 Drone WARDELL Round 12 Drone reltuC Round 15 Drone WARDELL Round 17 hazed reltuC	1 Round 19 reltuC Drone hazed			80	1	0
Drone TSM	1 Round 15 jcStani ShoT_UP	1 Round 3 jcStani Rossy ShoT_UP	2 Round 4 Genghsta jcStani Rossy Kehmicals Round 17 jcStani Kehmicals Genghsta Rossy		77	2	0
WARDELL TSM	2 Round 1 ShoT_UP Kehmicals Round 2 Genghsta ShoT_UP		1 Round 5 Genghsta Kehmicals jcStani Rossy WARDELL	2 Round 3 Kehmicals Round 5 Rossy	29	3	0
reltuC TSM					15	1	0
hazed TSM					26	1	0
Subroza TSM	2 Round 1 Genghsta Rossy Round 2 Kehmicals jcStani				34	0	0

	2K	3K	4K	5K	1v1	1v3	ECON	PL	DE
jcStani IMT	4 Round 1 hazed reltuC Round 4 Subroza Drone Round 14 Subroza reltuC Round 20 WARDELL WARDELL	1 Round 7 reltuC Subroza Drone					64	0	0
Genghsta IMT	5 Round 12 reltuC Subroza Round 13 Drone reltuC Round 16 Drone Subroza Round 18 Subroza reltuC Round 21 Subroza hazed						58	0	1
Rossy IMT	4 Round 1 Drone Subroza Round 2 Drone WARDELL Round 6 Drone reltuC Round 20 hazed reltuC				1 Round 2 WARDELL		37	6	0
ShoT_UP IMT	3 Round 2 reltuC hazed Round 4 hazed reltuC Round 9 hazed WARDELL	2 Round 5 Drone Subroza reltuC Round 16 hazed WARDELL reltuC	1 Round 15 hazed reltuC Drone Subroza				56	0	0
Kehmicals IMT							22	4	1
Drone TSM	3 Round 7 Rossy Kehmicals Round 10 Kehmicals ShoT_UP Round 21 jcStani Genghsta	2 Round 8 Rossy Kehmicals jcStani Round 22 jcStani ShoT_UP Kehmicals				1 Round 7 jcStani Genghsta Kehmicals	60	0	1
WARDELL TSM	4 Round 4 jcStani ShoT_UP Round 5 jcStani Kehmicals Round 13 jcStani ShoT_UP Round 18 Rossy ShoT_UP	3 Round 2 Kehmicals ShoT_UP Genghsta Round 16 jcStani Rossy Kehmicals Round 17 ShoT_UP jcStani Genghsta					74	0	0
reltuC TSM	2 Round 5 Genghsta Rossy Round 18 Kehmicals jcStani						41	0	0
hazed TSM	2 Round 13 Rossy Genghsta Round 19 Rossy Kehmicals	1 Round 10 jcStani Genghsta Rossy		1 Round 14 ShoT_UP jcStani Kehmicals Rossy Genghsta	1 Round 13 Genghsta		58	1	2
Subroza TSM	3 Round 6 jcStani Kehmicals Round 9 Kehmicals Genghsta Round 12 ShoT_UP Kehmicals						36	6	2

	2K	3K	4K	1v1	ECON	PL	DE
jcStani IMT	1 Round 10 WARDELL hazed				34	1	0
Genghsta IMT	1 Round 1 Drone Subroza	2 Round 5 reltuC Subroza Drone Round 8 reltuC Drone WARDELL		1 Round 8 WARDELL	45	2	4
Rossy IMT	1 Round 2 Subroza Drone	1 Round 12 Subroza reltuC Drone			28	4	0
ShoT_UP IMT	6 Round 2 hazed reltuC Round 10 reltuC Subroza Round 11 WARDELL hazed Round 15 hazed reltuC Round 17 hazed reltuC Round 24 reltuC WARDELL	2 Round 19 WARDELL Subroza reltuC Round 21 reltuC Drone Subroza	1 Round 20 hazed Drone reltuC WARDELL		82	2	0
Kehmicals IMT	4 Round 1 reltuC WARDELL Round 11 Drone reltuC Round 15 WARDELL Drone Round 16 Subroza hazed	1 Round 7 Drone reltuC hazed			47	0	0
Drone TSM	6 Round 3 Genghsta Kehmicals Round 6 Genghsta Rossy Round 8 jcStani Kehmicals Round 13 jcStani Rossy Round 17 ShoT_UP Genghsta Round 22 Rossy Genghsta	1 Round 23 ShoT_UP jcStani Kehmicals			80	3	1
WARDELL TSM	4 Round 3 jcStani ShoT_UP Round 6 ShoT_UP jcStani Round 8 Rossy ShoT_UP Round 21 Kehmicals Genghsta		1 Round 9 Kehmicals jcStani ShoT_UP Rossy		40	0	0
reltuC TSM	2 Round 4 ShoT_UP Genghsta Round 5 ShoT_UP jcStani				30	1	0
hazed TSM	1 Round 19 Rossy ShoT_UP			1 Round 21 ShoT_UP	47	3	1
Subroza TSM	5 Round 5 Rossy Kehmicals Round 13 ShoT_UP Kehmicals Round 14 Genghsta Rossy Round 22 ShoT_UP ShoT_UP Round 23 Rossy Genghsta		1 Round 18 Kehmicals jcStani Rossy Genghsta		71	1	1