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titanwithpp

https://twitter.com/lhfaria/status/1615394879336755200

And came up with the worst of them all really. 1 match of BO3 and then a team is out will really just leave an awful taste in viewers/fans post loss. There's no room for growth or making a historic run by getting another chance.

Even swiss system tourney would be better than this

He also says fans > pros lmao
https://twitter.com/lhfaria/status/1615424736791760897

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He also says fans > pros lmao

i agee with this, but even majority of fans hate this format
swiss format or multiple stream for only once or twice would literally fix all the problem

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ItsMeDio [#2]

He also says fans > pros lmao

i agee with this, but even majority of fans hate this format
swiss format or multiple stream for only once or twice would literally fix all the problem

He says fans > pros and that's something that's true but this format is literally the worst when its supposed to be the most hyped event yet in Valo, they need to do something so its not single elims

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It's clear that they're trying to prioritize fan viewership and broadcast while trying to not compromise the integrity of the tournament.

Every match is broadcasted. That's not relatively an easy feat, especially for shooters. In CSGO, some teams often have fallen to low viewership just because there are multiple streams and people tend to gravitate towards the big names.

Will LOCK//IN avoid this issue entirely with every match being streamed? It depends, we'll probably see a fluctuation of viewership for each match, but every team will have the same amount of exposure on a central channel throughout the event.

Imo, growth can be seen later with the International League split starting later this year. I believe LOCK//IN is all about gouging and building interests with the 30 partnered team + 2 Chinese teams (that may or may not get their own league.)

It's hell on the players and management on the team, though.

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YEP send 16 team home after 1 bo 3 would be feel right

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the problem is not having enough time without streaming multiple matches at the same time, which they've said they do not want to do ever. there's simply no good format that can function under these constraints

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ItsMeDio
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TMosura [#4]

It's clear that they're trying to prioritize fan viewership and broadcast while trying to not compromise the integrity of the tournament.

Every match is broadcasted. That's not relatively an easy feat, especially for shooters. In CSGO, some teams often have fallen to low viewership just because there are multiple streams and people tend to gravitate towards the big names.

Will LOCK//IN avoid this issue entirely with every match being streamed? It depends, we'll probably see a fluctuation of viewership for each match, but every team will have the same amount of exposure on a central channel throughout the event.

Imo, growth can be seen later with the International League split starting later this year. I believe LOCK//IN is all about gouging and building interests with the 30 partnered team + 2 Chinese teams (that may or may not get their own league.)

It's hell on the players and management on the team, though.

but the bracket is not even good... it's straight bad
C9, PRX, and DRX are end up in the same bracket while th/eg/mibr/talon can proceed to top 8 easily

only navi/tl will proceed to top 8..

i'm not complaining to you tho

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titanwithpp [#3]

He says fans > pros and that's something that's true but this format is literally the worst when its supposed to be the most hyped event yet in Valo, they need to do something so its not single elims

I won't disagree that for now, this is the most hyped event in Valorant. However, the mantle can be easily dethroned with any future events that has the gravitas and competitiveness of LOCK//IN.

On one part, I believe that this is a glorified showmatch/tournament that somehow has the prize of giving the winning region an extra slot at Tokyo. On the other, it still serves as a great competitive showcase of how teams have evolved from last year towards a high-stakes, one-and-done event that have no room for error.

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TMosura [#8]

I won't disagree that for now, this is the most hyped event in Valorant. However, the mantle can be easily dethroned with any future events that has the gravitas and competitiveness of LOCK//IN.

On one part, I believe that this is a glorified showmatch/tournament that somehow has the prize of giving the winning region an extra slot at Tokyo. On the other, it still serves as a great competitive showcase of how teams have evolved from last year towards a high-stakes, one-and-done event that have no room for error.

this is a glorified showmatch/tournament that somehow has the prize of giving the winning region an extra slot

can't said better than that. glorified showmatch it is

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TMosura [#4]

It's clear that they're trying to prioritize fan viewership and broadcast while trying to not compromise the integrity of the tournament.

Every match is broadcasted. That's not relatively an easy feat, especially for shooters. In CSGO, some teams often have fallen to low viewership just because there are multiple streams and people tend to gravitate towards the big names.

Will LOCK//IN avoid this issue entirely with every match being streamed? It depends, we'll probably see a fluctuation of viewership for each match, but every team will have the same amount of exposure on a central channel throughout the event.

Imo, growth can be seen later with the International League split starting later this year. I believe LOCK//IN is all about gouging and building interests with the 30 partnered team + 2 Chinese teams (that may or may not get their own league.)

It's hell on the players and management on the team, though.

For players its honestly worse and given how the community will respond after a certain team's loss. Besides that I get that every match being streamed is way too much but I'm sure there was atleast some way where 16 teams don't go after 1 game.

But apart from that, considering its an intro tourney makes this format sensible in terms of exposure but not the best option ofc, no fan wants their team out after 1 game.

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ItsMeDio [#7]

but the bracket is not even good... it's straight bad
C9, PRX, and DRX are end up in the same bracket while th/eg/mibr/talon can proceed to top 8 easily

only navi/tl will proceed to top 8..

i'm not complaining to you tho

Fair, yeah. Randomized bracket seeding would probably do that, even if there were stipulations to ensure the "ideal" circumstances.

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ItsMeDio [#9]

this is a glorified showmatch/tournament that somehow has the prize of giving the winning region an extra slot

can't said better than that. glorified showmatch it is

From what I've seen from people so far is the expectation that LOCK//IN would be like Masters at the very least (which honestly I'm not blaming them for.)

I'm not exactly shocked because the original wording to describe LOCK//IN was (paraphrasing) 'to celebrate a new milestone in VCT history' makes me think this isn't something like Masters.

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TMosura [#12]

From what I've seen from people so far is the expectation that LOCK//IN would be like Masters at the very least (which honestly I'm not blaming them for.)

I'm not exactly shocked because the original wording to describe LOCK//IN was (paraphrasing) 'to celebrate a new milestone in VCT history' makes me think this isn't something like Masters.

Honestly in such a tourney fans would be happy with even 2 matches of their team, even if they lose both. We get to see something in that case, just one match makes things bad for me.

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titanwithpp [#13]

Honestly in such a tourney fans would be happy with even 2 matches of their team, even if they lose both. We get to see something in that case, just one match makes things bad for me.

Like a trailer that cuts too short and didn't show anything worth mentioning.

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TMosura [#14]

Like a trailer that cuts too short and didn't show anything worth mentioning.

Yeah its like random clips put together. We can't form anything for specific leagues and at the end it simply becomes "just watch your own league for more on the team since you won't see enough in Sao Paulo"

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