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what is with these orgs and doing 10 man teams, i swear its not gonna work out. imo all teams should be 5, much better for chemistry and overall team building. like are they gonna have each player play a specific agent? and swap people in and out?

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no they just want a team to scrim and prep with. also if a player on their roster is disappointing they can have the option to sub that person out

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Why tf would you wanna scrim always the same team tho, you create a huge bubble and don’t learn anything new, might think that things work when they don’t. It’s a horrible idea

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It has way more disadvantages than advantages by far. Being out of the loop it’s not good. You can’t pretend like you’re gonna come up with more strats than an entire scene

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NA brain kekw

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I think its better to have a competition inside the team. Knowing that someone might replace or gonna be better than you makes it more competitive right? also they will still scrim other teams and themselves theyre not gonna create a bubble around themselves

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Well that’s arguable, but still if you think so you do not need 10 players to have a competition, 6/7 is more than enough

Also if you’re gonna scrim other teams and just eventually scrim the other 5, you’re then literally wasting 5 players and their salaries

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by his logic I think 7 players won't cover all roles so not everyone has competition

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Yes they are, unless you have 7 players that only play one role each you can easily fit a player with whatever role it is, and specially if 2 of them have all the time in the world to learn whatever role is necessary

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good point, probably 8 fits that idea more tho

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Yeah I mean the more the better, I just see having so many people on the bench as a waste of talent and money

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Literally, why would any t1 or even high t2 pro agree to be the 7, 8, 9 or 10th man on this roster unless their sole purpose is the salary. What are the chances these subs even get to play in official tournaments.

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Exactly, maybe 6th hoping someone gets sick but lmao

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Those are the chances, being in the bench of franchise teams is the only chances. I only say having competition inside the team is very beneficial for the team. Having 10 man roster basically is a huge waste of money but if they can develop their players well then good for them. Developing players and finding talent is very important if you want to stay on the franchise longer.

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Its called development that's how most of the sports work(Basketball,Football) if you look at the riots League teams literally have academy and scouting grounds and most of the star players of the game right now came from those, its not well establish in valorant yet but it will eventually happen. If these teams have win now mindset and not think about their future its gonna destroy them because good players right now is not gonna be good forever. We dont know about their salaries yet but if they are paying their bench high salary i dont agree with it.

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How do you develop yourself by not playing a single official game tho? Sure you can become a scrim god or something like that but then what? What about the experience and the grinding? You then need to play and in order to do that you have to either leave the org which the wtf are they doing paying you, or join the main roster without having played any official since forever.

I could definitely see benefits but: 1st, the salaries have to be at least as high as tier 2 ones which in NA is definitely over 10k a month for developing a guy who might work or might not. and 2nd You lower your exposition and value as a player by not being seen. I just feel like I would rather play

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Its the team coaches job to do that if you are in a good team environment of course your moment is gonna happen they will let you play maps there's 8 weeks of regional games per split. But if you are in a bad team who doesn't care about their players well fuck it do be like that we see that in all kind of sports. A lot of tier 2 team is gonna be good for the next years because there are still slots to qualify in regional league, and they will probably get scouted or poached by big teams but once those slots filled it will be harder to find talent.

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Can the coaches find opportunities for 10 players tho? To what point is that even beneficial for anyone?

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Coaches don't find opportunities. But they can give an opportunity, If you can be a better duelist than the teams starter then that's good you replace him, the person you replace will probably FA next season. That's the nature of competition/professional sports.

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What if you don’t become better than the main ones? Are you gonna spend 120k on average per player per year for a what if? Half a million a year for a maybe this player becomes slightly better than what you already have. I feel like more than 6 maybe 7 players is a total waste

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you guys don't realize there are other advantages to having a 10 men roster. They can have a Team A and Team B to scrim each other and try out setups.

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that is good but kinda just an academy, i get having 5-6 so like ethan is on for all skye maps but reformed, apoth and c0m need to go they are not going to carry EG to anything in sao paulo

bcj good
boostio good
jawgemo amazing
ethan is decent

even if you had those 4 on all the time you are just going to get shit on so hard, peek this angle C9 yay kills you, dash onto site Nats was waiting for you, jump peek that angle, pANcada flick one taps you like there is just such an obvious skill gap between the players why not buy better players

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tex, marved, valyn, trent, shahzam, dapr, wippie, penny, neT, zander, babybay, dicey, zombs better alternatives

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Dicey not being picked up is actually criminal

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is he staying with faze for ascension or no

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May be they don't wanna be the best team in the world right away! Cz often stack rosters don't perform upto expectation, so it's a big financial risk. For teams like SEN, 100T, C9 etc who have a lot of fans that want success, org actually need to feed to the frenzy sometimes and convince the fanbase that they are building a roster ready to win. But for EG, that's not the case. A home grown talent development structure is lot more sustainable and makes a lot of sense for them. 'skill gap' isn't a permanent issue, you can mitigate it with hard work, good coaching, building team chemistry etc.

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EG is actually braindead and we dont claim them as NA, they literally are investing more money into a dead game with a 20 person roster, like how fucking stupid are they to invest into a boomer game + 20 players on the payroll are they fucking dumb they are going no where

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Wrong game

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hurr durr cs bad val good

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Money laundering

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C9 only needs 5