Top 3 coach in the world for sure
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EyeZick [#2]hes number 1 and its not close, to lead two completely seperate teams to every single event and have success in playoffs is unmatched by anybody in VAL so far
it was not every single one, that would be betony, but yes, i agree
EyeZick [#2]hes number 1 and its not close, to lead two completely seperate teams to every single event and have success in playoffs is unmatched by anybody in VAL so far
I think maybe Mini, D00mbros, sgares and Chet are in the conversation
V0sotros [#4]I think maybe Mini, D00mbros, sgares and Chet are in the conversation
It really depends on if we are talking about achievements or their actual work cause in achievements the material you work with affects a lot. People say he is good cause you can actually see his work, 8/8 pistols is not luck, and bringing two different teams to the top is not luck. What I mean is that in his case you can see the common factor
V0sotros [#4]I think maybe Mini, D00mbros, sgares and Chet are in the conversation
sgares hasnt achieved anything yet
Mortadelo [#6]It really depends on if we are talking about achievements or their actual work cause in achievements the material you work with affects a lot. People say he is good cause you can actually see his work, 8/8 pistols is not luck, and bringing two different teams to the top is not luck. What I mean is that in his case you can see the common factor
No, you can't, you don't know how Onur works because he does not have any public coaching, you are basing it out of results that work the same way as achievements.
What we all can do is just make subjective assumptions, you of course can say he is the best of the world just because he got a team from nothing to being the best in LATAM, but you can also say it was all about betony and Shyy who also are new in this team.
Anyway, its a subjective topic, you can't really tell for sure.
Enzolp [#8]No, you can't, you don't know how Onur works because he does not have any public coaching, you are basing it out of results that work the same way as achievements.
What we all can do is just make subjective assumptions, you of course can say he is the best of the world just because he got a team from nothing to being the best in LATAM, but you can also say it was all about betony and Shyy who also are new in this team.Anyway, its a subjective topic, you can't really tell for sure.
There aren't any coaches that do their work publicly, but when I see two teams do the same think I look at what the common factor is and that is what is more likely to be cause of it. Could be Betony too? Yes ofc, we don't know, but it is the most accurate read we can make here
Zuqo [#7]sgares hasnt achieved anything yet
i mean he got a 6 month old roster to go to Champs, thats already pretty damn good...
Mortadelo [#9]There aren't any coaches that do their work publicly, but when I see two teams do the same think I look at what the common factor is and that is what is more likely to be cause of it. Could be Betony too? Yes ofc, we don't know, but it is the most accurate read we can make here
Wasn't sgares a caster? You can watch the way he thinks about the game and how much does he knows. I think that's important to make a accurate assumption of someone's skill.
Either way, I think Onur is one of the best coachs in the world. But sadly, you can never know for sure!
Enzolp [#11]Wasn't sgares a caster? You can watch the way he thinks about the game and how much does he knows. I think that's important to make a accurate assumption of someone's skill.
Either way, I think Onur is one of the best coachs in the world. But sadly, you can never know for sure!
Being knowledgeable doesn't make a good coach, not any random player is a good coach, no matter how much he knows about the game
Mortadelo [#12]Being knowledgeable doesn't make a good coach, not any random player is a good coach, no matter how much he knows about the game
Said that's important, not the only thing.
When Onur was in tier 3 lol las scene he didn't show like he knew a lot, he was more like of someone who's job was to improve players mental and discipline, nonetheless I thought he was a good coach back then.
So yeah, I'm aware of that, I still think that every thing you think about him is subjective!
Enzolp [#13]Said that's important, not the only thing.
When Onur was in tier 3 lol las scene he didn't show like he knew a lot, he was more like of someone who's job was to improve players mental and discipline, nonetheless I thought he was a good coach back then.
So yeah, I'm aware of that, I still think that every thing you think about him is subjective!
Ofc it's subjective dude, don't worry we are having a friendly debate.
Something that tells me he is a good coach too is how he picked Shy from the academy, he saw he was good enough, and you need to know about the game to do that. And that might have not been his idea, but definitely had to authorize
Mortadelo [#14]Ofc it's subjective dude, don't worry we are having a friendly debate.
Something that tells me he is a good coach too is how he picked Shy from the academy, he saw he was good enough, and you need to know about the game to do that. And that might have not been his idea, but definitely had to authorize
Yeah ik, if I said something that didn't seem friendly I'm sorry lol.
Yeah! He is pretty good at sniping talent too, and that's objective as he was the one who discovered Josedeodo. (I mean he already was a top soloq player playing in br server but it was Onur who got him into his first team)
Enzolp [#16]Yeah ik, if I said something that didn't seem friendly I'm sorry lol.
Yeah! He is pretty good at sniping talent too, and that's objective as he was the one who discovered Josedeodo. (I mean he already was a top soloq player playing in br server but it was Onur who got him into his first team)
Oh no no don't worry dude, my misunderstanding. I was saying the opposite
Yes, and I think I've heard something about Less too? Didn't he discover him too when he was building Loud roster before everything happened?
Mortadelo [#17]Oh no no don't worry dude, my misunderstanding. I was saying the opposite
Yes, and I think I've heard something about Less too? Didn't he discover him too when he was building Loud roster before everything happened?
There I have no clue, but I can believe it.
Enzolp [#19]There I have no clue, but I can believe it.
I think so but i might be wrong, Less wasn't a known player by then and Onur built the roster so idk
Mortadelo [#20]I think so but i might be wrong, Less wasn't a known player by then and Onur built the roster so idk
I'm pretty sure he built the roster, but I don't know if less was known or smth tbh lol
trembolonaRage [#23]he is coming to brazil in 2023 :)
He wants to migrate to a NA/EU team, he expressed that a lot, is safe to even say that he went to LOUD just because he got no offers in those regions
So the only way he is coaching mwzera is if again he gets no offers from NA/EU
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