NA All time Top 10

1. Optic
2. Sen (Ya IK everyone hates them but their success is pretty undeniable)
3. 100T (First Strike and made Berlin)
4. C9
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5. V1(ahead of Guard because of longevity)
6. The Guard (made a LAN)
7. XSET(consistently good could be put above Guard but haven't won anything)
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8. Rise(closest team not named XSET to making a LAN)
9. Faze (big tier break here but a good masters 1 and semi decent for a long time)
10. LG(probably could be above Faze but are kinda just XSET but worse)

HM. TSM, Gen.G, NRG
RIP to IMT and ABX but they'd prob round out the top 15

Sen 💀

are rise really better than tsm historically tho?

Decent list but i think there should be like a tier difference between optic sen and 100T C9

Elcatsu [#2]

Sen 💀

who would you have second then?

GLN321 [#5]

who would you have second then?

Anyone but sen

GLN321 [#3]

are rise really better than tsm historically tho?

I really wanted to fit TSM in the top 10 but I value Faze getting top 2 in masters 1 and then being better from there out over TSM winning tournies in 2020, also Rise was 1 win away from LAN and has been better than TSM in almost every event they've played in so I think they have, and then LG I feel like has always been a top 10 team in NA so they shouldn't be left out just because they're rarely top 5.

SEN should be #1 and optic should be a close 2nd. SEN dominated NA longer than Optic has been considered the best NA team.

C9 above Sen and 100T

zzzzzzzzz [#9]

C9 above Sen and 100T

delusion

notnyc [#8]

SEN should be #1 and optic should be a close 2nd. SEN dominated NA longer than Optic has been considered the best NA team.

Optic winning 1 and coming 2nd in another(especially with them being in tougher tournies) for me is more impressive than SEN having longer regional success but being worse internationally.

notnyc [#10]

delusion

im no sen fan but you can't have them any lower than #2 or else ur just trolling. They were the best team in NA for a year and half

GLN321 [#3]

are rise really better than tsm historically tho?

TSM should be way higher here. They were THE team to beat before SEN, 100t, and Optic. They should be in the top 5 for sure. Definitely above Faze, Rise and XSET.

notnyc [#10]

delusion

C9 only team who got playoffs in champions
C9 got third in last qualifiers and Sen got last
Sen sucked at champions
Sen even didnt qual in this qualifier

zzzzzzzzz [#14]

C9 only team who got playoffs in champions
C9 got third in last qualifiers and Sen got last
Sen sucked at champions
Sen even didnt qual in this qualifier

SEN won the first lan
SEN dominated the ignition series
SEN dominated NA before berlin

C9 have yet to win a major tournament or NA T1 tournament other than LCQ.

Mohagany [#12]

im no sen fan but you can't have them any lower than #2 or else ur just trolling. They were the best team in NA for a year and half

they were the best team in Masters 1 and Stage 1 not that long

Elcatsu [#6]

Anyone but sen

Bro started watching val this year

Xset shouldn’t be on the same tier as v1 and guard until they get above 4th place

notnyc [#15]

SEN won the first lan
SEN dominated the ignition series
SEN dominated NA before berlin

C9 have yet to win a major tournament or NA T1 tournament other than LCQ.

ok but lets also look at recent info
Champions C9 got to playoffs Sen lost to Kru in group stage
Stage 1 qualifier Sen got last c9 got 3rd
Stage 2 Sen did not got past open quals
back then u right Sen 1st but
many stages have passed and C9 look better

masters 1 sen from last year wouldn't even make it out of the open quals this stage.

erickwak [#20]

masters 1 sen from last year wouldn't even make it out of the open quals this stage.

thats why its all time bruh no need to see recent results

Lol as far as I remember, TSM won almost every tourney in 2020 except for first strike and you don't even place them in top 10? Wow man, didn't expect such an L from you.....

Danny [#17]

Bro started watching val this year

100T,Optic,V1,Guard(yes the current Guard),NRG,C9>SEN This guys won M1 and then nothing. They don't even have a win yet in groups

felity [#23]

100T,Optic,V1,Guard(yes the current Guard),NRG,C9>SEN This guys won M1 and then nothing. They don't even have a win yet in groups

yeah and that one masters win is more then what almost all of those teams you just listed have ever done

BadlandsChugs [#24]

yeah and that one masters win is more then what almost all of those teams you just listed have ever done

following the narrative set by the most upvoted comment, support sen or trash sen! actually stupid if you guys think sen is good to be put on #2, these guys would have put sen in #1 if optic didnt win masters, thats how delusional sen fans are

sashi [#25]

following the narrative set by the most upvoted comment, support sen or trash sen! actually stupid if you guys think sen is good to be put on #2, these guys would have put sen in #1 if optic didnt win masters, thats how delusional sen fans are

just opened up your history it feels like lately you've been trying real hard to let the sen fan know that they are trash

GLN321 [#3]

are rise really better than tsm historically tho?

Ofc not

Bad data meant to reply to someone

jaswinder_cole [#26]

just opened up your history it feels like lately you've been trying real hard to let the sen fan know that they are trash

oh really? didn't notice, I am just annoyed by these people, might be my bad but they're delusional and cannot be creating more threads on this forum