I’m not super well versed but based on the ppl currently playing next season, yeah he is near the top. Maybe JessieVash? But I don’t really consider him a top tier player even tho I love him.

Notice how none of EG made it to the top spots (except Ethan bc he’s been consistently good for a longggg time), even if they showed up in honorable mentions.

TMV isn’t a great example bc he’s gold or something. Sliggy was radiant, and obv his coaching exp makes a huge diff. I think most of plat chat peaked immortal something, so that’s still firmly in the upper percentile.

Aspas, Less, Alfajer, Leo

Love you

Idgaf, he’s gonna be crazy good individually.

KOI 100%

Nah but like fengf and stew were so fucking good recently. I just can’t evaluate them without more data imo.

Oop good to know. Vlr says xffero igl I think.

Of course. I’d say fns top 2 igl, S0m is an HM controller, jingg would be competing for top duelist apac.

That’s insane recency bias, that team just didn’t gel in the second half of the year. He’s been incredibly consistent for so long beforehand, and I have no doubt he will be equally as good this year.

Mostly because the top few teams in EMEA have controller igls, like Angel, boaster, etc, so they’re not crazy impressive individually.

Only ppl playing on starting rosters next year. Johnqt is for igl. Enzo is NOT as good as Trent in his role. Zyppan I don’t consider good enough either. Sugarzero I almost added ngl, I was on the fence.

I did, only ppl on rosters rn. Otherwise Pancada, k1ng, and RB would probably make an appearance.

He plays 3 agents that aren't duelists bro. Chamber (duelist adjacent), Brim (on one map), and Astra (very very rarely). Compare to f0rsaken, Zekken, Chronicle, etc who've played nearly every role and agent in the game, and you'll easily see the difference.

Americas:
Duelist: Aspas
HM: Demon1, jawgemo, leaf, keznit, OXY, mwzera, zekken

Recon initiator: crashies
HM: cauanzin, C0m, trent

Flash initiator: Ethan
HM: cauanzin

Controller: Marved
HM: Demon1 (on certain maps)

Sentinel: Less
HM: nobody comes close

Flex: Zekken
HM: leaf

IGL: Saadhak
HM: Boostio, johnqt

EMEA:
Duelist: Sayf
HM: Derke, Jamppi, runneR, Trexx

Recon Initiator: Leo
HM: Shao, Cloud

Flash Initiator: Jamppi
HM: no other standouts

Controller: No standouts

Sentinel: Alfajer
HM: SUYGETSU, yetujey, ceNder, nAts

Flex: Chronicle
HM: Trexx

IGL: Boaster
HM: MrFaliN

Apologies to other good players I just haven't seen in a hot minute or those I don't know well (cough cough logaN)

Pacific:
Duelist: something
HM: BuZz (when he plays them), Dep, Jemkin, Surf, yay

Recon Initiator: xffero
HM: idk others know more

Flash Initiator: invy
HM: stax

Controller: MaKo
HM: sScary, Monyet (on GE)

Sentinel: Laz
HM: yay (chamber moment), d4v41 ig?

Flex: f0rsaken
HM: d4v41

IGL: stax
HM: Laz, xffero

Somebody who knows do china pls

I miss when you first came to this site and weren’t baiting all the time

Source: I SAW IT IN A DREAM

Guy on giants, top 3 initiator EMEA along w Shao and Leo

I literally did that last year copycat

G2, ppl keep underrating this guard core AND they have the second best Americas duelist from last year. They’re gonna cook.

Yeah and the double controller meta came from Frod. This change will be harder to recover from, but they will still be top 5 in Americas no doubt.

You're right. Tenz's Omen has improved drastically, but Pancada is still a more natural controller player. Besides that, there's no role Tenz has played recently that Zellsis cannot play at an equal or higher level except maybe Yoru (I'm not talking just mechanics here).

That being said, I don't think it's a good idea to switch them at this stage. Based on vibes, demonstrated form, and cohesion, the current lineup is by far and away the best, and frankly that matters MORE than individual skill on agent roles. What should happen is Sen should give Pancada the option to join another team (such as MIBR where his old coach Bzka is), and then we get the best of both worlds: Sen playing well, and Pancada not on the bench for another season.

I agree with all except MIBR. Frankly I don’t think any coaching staff can turn frz, jzz, and mazin into an elite level team. I wish they gave a shot to more upcoming Brazilian talent and developed a new igl.

Bro tf you calling me random for, we've been talking for years

nutab1e we've talked about this for literally 2 years, move on baby

EG always had flashes of brilliance stretching wayyy back, they could just never put it all together. I think demon, Ethan, boostio will do incredible, and I think c0m will be good, not the best on lev tho

Imma be honest I think they’ll be worse than before

1. PRX will win an event (surely)
2. G2 will get 3rd in Americas and make it to at least 1 international
3. Vitality will beat Fnatic at least once (but no one else in EMEA will)

He's not 'more' capable yet but perhaps in time

I mean the current best initiator worldwide

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As the great Wyatt River once said: “Wish I could get some superdome right now.”

RunneR is still a bit of an unknown. I’d argue he needs more time before we can say he’s top 10. Looks very promising tho.

Honestly we have no clue. Sentinels would be the best bet right now because they have proven great individual form and team cohesion in offseason events. That being said, NRG on paper look like a fnatic competitor, but who really knows yet. I’d rank the rest of NA as G2 ~= 100T > C9.

Miso paste has to be there

Ooo that's kind of exciting then. I'm a big fan of open tryout picks in general.

I forgot about this, actually laughed

Golden Kamuy

They actually looked fine, Jamppi and Nats are playing extremely well, and keiko shows some promise. Their strats could use some work, but I'm hopeful. They look more coordinated than prev Liquid with Redgar + Sayf.

Doesn't miss a shot

This is specifically for SEN ofc because that's all anyone talks about, but it applies in general as well.

I would much rather have 5 players with no defined roles and good cohesion over a team with perfect roles that can't play off each other. Tier 1 players can pick up new roles in months, and obviously there's some agent specific mistakes and uncomfortability that people love to make fun of newish players for, but that hardly matters if the player is hitting shots and fulfilling their role in general. If SEN play better with tenz on smokes and with zellsis on the team, that's a good indicator that zellsis brings a soft element that matters more than tenz's role comfortability.

I liked you more before you started baiting like crazy

I love the ameng copypasta

DFM exists

Do it again in 2 days and everyone will have forgotten, that’s how shortsighted this website is

What crack are you smoking? Redgar hasn’t been a good igl since Gambit, and even then his attack side calling was notoriously suspect. He is a really nice dude tho, and I hope he picks it up again on giants.

Thank you

Hello I am requesting statistics :)

He’s gonna be another demon1 in 2-3 years