not a bad take tbh

he was ight

i think the biggest thing u fail to recognize is that is very hard to frag highly or get a good rating when u lose a game, especially by a large measure. for example i think we can all agree zekken is a great player.
in this game against loud (https://www.vlr.gg/314645/sentinels-vs-loud-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-1-w4) he got a significantly lower rating than qck. does this mean he is a worse player or even had a worse game? no. its a team game. if the team plays bad, generally the individual players will have bad stats. this is why i think looking at stats is kinda pointless and the only way to truly tell a players skill is to watch them play. again, flor could flop in t2, but using her stats when shes playing for a team that u guys call t3 or lower doesnt really prove if she is a t1 talent or not.

fine let me actually read this

holy yap

for example the best player in the world is not a duelist rn

people do that all the time its not crazy

it was one example of many blatant transphobic comments
all im saying is its not just getting a pronoun wrong its purposeful transphobia

its not getting them wrong is blatantly choosing to disrespect someone

1) one player can only do so much its a team game

2) not saying she deserves t1 opportunity rn but at least t2

3) someone literally commented "it’s a mental illness to want to chop off your cock and surgically remove your breasts
proud transphobe here 💪"
transphobia is crazy on this site

u realise u can analyze how good someone did/does without looking at kills right. not for u though cuz u dont actually watch games u just look at stats

worst part is most flor haters (and flor fans tbh) dont even watch gc

more transphobia ty for proving my point

u are so weird

u keep saying game changers is t3
that team is t3
so its more like zekken playing poorly against another franchised team
https://www.vlr.gg/167368/sentinels-vs-fnatic-champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo-omega-ro16

also just realized that game was a year ago lmao

just watched this clip: https://clips.twitch.tv/NiceAstuteVampireAsianGlow-PVlAbZxWT_wQfbpI
sorry but those guys were playing like complete ass, need to watch the entire game to see if these guys are better than na game changers

this was super early in chinese val no? skill level is comparable to gc ngl

this has to be bait

not comparing them skill wise
comparing the way they are perceived when they were starting. both were prodigies who hadn't really prove themselves in a high quality league

both should have been treated the same, either ppl should have shit on whzy for playing in a low quality league or we should hype up and give a flor a chance to prove herself like we gave whzy

dont know why its so hard for people to understand that great players can play in bad leagues, so many players have proved it

im not necessarily saying that flor is some world class player, although i personally believe she has the potential to be one
all im saying is that people will hype up players all the time for playing good in ranked or in absolute shit teams, but as soon as its a trans women its like "she needs to prove herself more"
i think every person has a little bit of bias and it shows from some of u guys

when a team picks up an unknown t10 player: "give him a chance"
when ppl suggest flor should get a chance in t2: "gc is so shit she has never proved herself"

the difference between the way talented male and female players get treated is all i have a problem with

holy yap, hope this makes sense

he wasnt replying to u

all these comments are gonna age so poorly

second part is very true

with proper coaching and support she could be just as good if not better than icy

flor is mechanically better than icy

exactly
they want her to get an ace every single round or something
she cant really play much better

agree completely, never said she would destroy everyone in t1, but people saying she doesnt even deserve a spot in t2 is actually crazy

how is gc not growing her fault? u are just saying random things now
Tier 1 pros literally refused to play with GC players, i dont know how you cant see that as purely sexism

https://www.vlr.gg/281432/turtle-troop-vs-version1-knights-monthly-gauntlet-2023-october-sf
best team in na t2
https://www.vlr.gg/298243/winthrop-university-vs-shopify-rebellion-challengers-league-2024-north-america-qualifiers-oq-1
in actual t2 qualifiers if u think knights monthly isnt good enough

i speak from experience, there is little to no difference in a iron lobby

mfs be like "there is no transphobia" but a comment that says "he is a guy" has 5 upvotes

let me try to explain my point:

1) Lev is miles better than shopify. aspas has worldclass teammates and support that help him to win fights and get kills that he would not have at shopify

2) Flor rearely loses duels, and when she does, most of the time aspas wouldnt be able to do anything anyways. he would prob get a few more kills, but not a crazy amount more

3) one player can only do so much. for example, if u put a diamond smurf and a radiant smurf in an iron lobby they would play at a similar level, even though the radiant player is obv way better than the diamond player.

esports are still sexist idk what to tell u
i can tell u guys dont really understand the reality of the lives women have to go through, especially lgbtq women

not even trying to hate the world is just an unfair place and i dont think u totally understand that

u are the biggest clown on this website
i actually doubt u have ever watched flor play lmao

u have to be trolling dude, she is obviously a tier-2 talent

everyone has bad games dude

theres no way we are talking about premier when flor has played well against t2 na pros...

everyone has bad games bro
saying she got farmed when she had one of the highest ratings of any player is insane

my bad for not knowing legendary chinese cs players when i never watched cs

also using that logic, sean gares (one of the best coaches of all time and na cs legend) hjas said flor is next up many time

u do know t1 pros literally didnt want to play with a gc player right
many vct players and orgs are sexist, that is the reality

who tf is "Dank1ng" bro

many of the teams whzy was playing against would do shit in gc
idk what else to say to u, just think u are biased and deluded

there is no way u would think icy could do well against t1 teams at the start of the year
she would do fine against any t1 team

saying a league is ass is racist?? in that case u are sexist for saying gc is ass

how is being on a bad team mean she is bad
no one said shopify is good

wtf are u even saying
she had a 1.30 rating in challengers qualifiers
dropped a very respectable 38 kills against winthrop university (one of the best na t2 teams)

this is what im talking about, this is just purely wrong
i cant wait for her to prove u wrong, just a matter of time

look at whyz's old games
he was playing against teams none of us have heard of
i love chinese valorant, and love whyz, but dont act like he was farming superstars

because great players can play in bad leagues, i dont get how this is so hard to understand
not hating on whzy, both him and flor are insane players
just saying the way they are treated by the val community and specifically on vlr is very different and this is due to sexism and/or transphobia

flor will do the same

ok this is just wrong lol
i dont think you realize how ass chinese t2 is lol
genuinely think na radiant ranked is harder