Flashback diff and we know how to counter them now

even w/o bind we are good on pretty much all the other maps

And yet somehow they lost against both???

our bind isn’t that bad lol

NRG banned sunset every match this event except against DRX, where they banned it before NRG could

No

I was delusional since playoffs americas and look where that got us

NRG is winning ts

one blip in a goated career

you can’t because you know you can’t lol, i argued against everything you said and couldn’t provide anything

it’s just too easy

you say all of this and yet you still can’t prove that chronicle was the more impactful on any team on his career, he had one event where he was the best on his team and never again, constantly getting carried

nt tho

True

end of an era

if NRG somehow win this match i will be so fucking insufferable

best player at gambit was nats

and the second at lock//in is the only other one you have

actually pretty sad how easily you give up

Pretty sure he was ill then but honestly that’s valid

“better agent pool” plays one more agent (as a flex lmfao) than a duelist

“way more consistent” consistently middle of the pack in his team where two other players are better

“additional one year where he was the best” he was never the best, not even on gambit since nats was better

“has defeated multiple goat candidates” because of his teammates who were better (alfajer/derke/leo/etc)

“doesnt sabotage the team” easy to not sabotage when you’re just not that important in the first place

anything else?

brother EG was not a superteam, they became good; please learn what the definition of a superteam is because i think that’s what’s causing you confusion

and NAVI lost arguably their best player to NRG, while FNC picked up two great players. FNC was expected to do well, and after LOCK//IN, everyone expected them to be the greatest and they still are

if you think 2023 FNC was not hyped as a super roster then i imagine you are just a newgen fan or haven’t been watching as much before now

once again, the only argument one can make for chron is trophies

it’s way too easy to argue with chron fans

and even then chronicle wasn’t their best performing player that series, it was kaajak

i also don’t see how this disproves my point since i said boaster was the most important piece of the puzzle

Lowkey i’d let both hit

He’s been their best player, however, that can’t be denied

i argue alfa > chron because alfa HAS been the best player in multiple of their runs while also having similar accolades

because chron has a better team

he’s never been the best player in any team he’s played

importance ≠ how good you are

boaster is the most important player on FNC but he is not the best player

I’m actually mindblown by how you’re trying to downplay FNC as a superteam but not EG, i actually think i’m getting ragebaited and it’s working because i can’t even comprehend this level of selective thinking

and EG isn’t even an ascension team, they are a partnered team and were playing in NA before franchising 😭 FNC 2023 was made of the best performing core in EMEA (minus FPX) alongside the best performing initiator and flex, they were in fact a superteam

i am actually begging you, if you aren’t ragebaiting, please think for a second before you type because you are looking more and more clueless with every message you send

Which is why alfa clears

I’ll accept chron > aspas, but if you wanna consider all of this, then alfa > chron

nAts

in hindsight loud 2022 is a superteam, but only two of these players were internationally known before that year. should we call EG 2023 a superteam because they made two international finals as well?

When the fnc roster (Leo, chron, boaster, derke, alfa) got made, no1 was thinking 'damn this roster is too stacked, they gonna win it all' till they did

Man i can’t even understate how wrong you are. this is legit one of two super teams ever made (the only other one is NRG 2024 which failed miserably)

simple argument against Chronicle:
he has barely even been the best on his team in 5 years of playing, while aspas does it in every roster

anyway if chron > aspas, alfa > chron

well the actual “superteam” did in fact win a trophy

aspas hasn’t been on a superteam since then

Ok cool

he was still the third best player in the team because alfa/leo outperformed him on every other map

nAts was the mvp for berlin, chronicle looked the best for one exact series

reminder that chronicle has CONSISTENTLY been surrounded by the best players in the world that have allowed him to find the kinds of stats he does

aspas’ rating is miles more impressive when taken into account he has never been surrounded by a superteam (2022 loud wasn’t a superteam), chron has never ONCE been the best player on his team at any point in his career but has similar stats to aspas because his teams are always better

and we all like talking about flukes when toronto was the exact definition of a fluke from aspas

Chronicle will always seem like the goat when you cherry pick stats like this lmao, who cares about who looks the best on a certain map in a certain year when talking about all time status?

and you saying aspas couldn’t win a map proves my point even more, he looks this good while playing on a much worse team, different roster every single year. chron doesn’t look that good but still wins because he has better players on his team constantly

crazy how trying to defend chron you shoot yourself in the foot

kaajak is there

you need to delve deep into specifics to even have chron come close, and even then the whole rating is watered down by that one fluke performance in toronto

aspas has always been the better player, chron can have his goat title for winning trophies but there have always been players better than him on his team since he’s been playing

Not saying chronicle didn’t have a role, he’s just never been the best or has been the biggest role in winning his trophies since you can’t win 4v5

there has always been better players in his team

can’t say the same for players like aspas or alfajer, who have time and time again been the best players on their teams

Cherry picked sentinelmain stats, certainly

and is still not as good a player 😭

flair

There's no way he doesn't play next series

Winnies trophies by being the best on your team (leo, alfa, aspas, etc.)

chron was in the right place at the right time

better player with almost similar accolades (would be cemeted if he wins champs)

chron was never the best player on his team, alfajer on multiple occasions was

if chron > aspas, alfa > chron and there is no real debate

Considering how they started the year, they would

the only metric is trophies once again

can never really put him at the top anywhere else

Complete lack of help

He will end the tournament as the highest rated player by far

the agenda will still be there

Correct answer

chron has the most accolades but aspas is just the better player

I knew you had no ball knowledge

a better controller would've netted them a top 3 finish

he didn't win EWC

chronicle WISHES he can have takeovers like aspas does