seems like the fault of the teams, they should’ve prepared better

fnatic just the better team

if they weren't the best roster to have ever play within the confines of 2023 they arent

they were because they won the most trophies

on paper sure but i’m not seeing it

people were talking about trexx like the savior of emea when he is just doing okay

BABYBAY MENTIONED

wdym all those guys are russian

this guy is not it 💔

serial off role has about as much impact as trexx is having now

and then he got better
that’s not what a honeymoon period is

fnatic are just a better team & so are heretics, trexx did nothing to fix liquid

7 month honeymoon lol

kaajak is better than keiko and trexx has been a nonfactor, there is zero improvements being seen on this roster

fnatic and heretics should beat liquid as expected

You’re not delighted lil bro

exactly

he’s not a downgrade he’s just been a nonfactor

like liquid would be stomping navi with or without him

apeks is

fnatic never beat a top 3 team when it was wednesday and the sun was about 30 degrees to the west and the temperature was 75 degrees celsius

move the goalposts as much as you want, they got two trophies in 2023, therefore they are the best team of 2023

if you run lock//in 10 times, eg lose 10 times

if you run tokyo 10 times, eg lose 10 times

either way fnatic win 2 trophies which makes them the best team of 2023

you can't say fnatic is the best team of the year when they weren't even top 3

yeah i can, they won two and got fourth in the third

that makes them the best team of the year

perhaps for all time conversations

not for best team of the year

stop acting like being a more consistent team, makes you a better team

yes it does

if you have a higher peak but only show it for one tournament, you’re worse than the team who has a lower peak but is capable of showing that peak across multiple tournaments

EG and EDG were not the best team of the year, they just so happened to be better at champs

what happened

fine by me

americas stays winning 🎉

this implies fnatic 2023 was not good

which is why i have edg over sen, just saying that the argument can be made if we’re taking placements and not valuing trophies as highly

this means:

acend was the best team of 2021
loud was the best team of 2022
eg was the best team of 2023

i also said i don't have sen above edg because edg has a better win + sen also had a time when they were dogshit like edg

but the argument can still be made since in internationals they performed better

edg went winless in shanghai so the argument can still be made

yeah and it's not EDG because they were shit all year outside of champs
GEN > TH > EDG > SEN

you can even make an argument for SEN above EDG considering they had better average placements the whole year but i still have EDG third

correct response

it's not EDG
it's either GEN or TH, GEN edges out because they have a trophy

exactly

however ass you think sen is, there's no one on the academy team you could upgrade them with

the thing is who on the main team would you replace with who from the academy team

batujnax
molsi
penny
olizera
sh1n

would unironically be an insane roster

He replaced Kess with the goat Nerve

feel like there is a reason for this but i'm not sure

the roster i was thinking of is

kyu
bao/shondex
brawk
skuba
mada

though this would mean nrg lacks a flash init (i think kyu is more comfortable on scan) so brawl would have to be replaced by someone

nismo is good but i don’t know if he will want to come to tier 1 and i don’t know any other good flex inits in tier 2

nismo is good i just don’t think he wants to come to tier 1

kyu is an igl

it was his choice

if GX don’t have a plan for a map they let through then they are not the better team

nismo isn’t coming to tier 1
s0m probably retiring after this year

i’d take bao over nismo
i would also take shondex

why are we acting like m8 isn’t lumped in with them

yes

they should consider running miniboo kayo on this map, with woot jett/omen

kyu
bao
mada
brawk
skuba

penny was their best player

they also had a close game against apeks and needed an apeks choke to win

you mfs are too much 😭😭😭😭😭

no way you believe KC beat 100T after nearly losing to apeks

roll the red carpets for them fs

this is just the life of KC

always play to the strength of the opponents no matter how good or bad they are