This will be so much fun to watch.

It's included now. Guess someone made a mistake but they fixed it.

lmao same. I got confused for a sec but at least I wasn't the only one.

I totally agree. I also like the idea behind it representing every character of FNATIC.

W

https://youtu.be/efHCdKb5UWc

I will refer to this article everytime the Jett instalock offends me because of my bad Skye ACS. Huge Ferahgo W.

you are the real hero

The Liquipedia workaround is a nice tip, thank you!

Thank you very much for that information. Where'd you get it? I guess I'll just never trust vlr standings at ties ¯_(ツ)_/¯

But it does not matter who has beaten who. Right now G2 is above OGLU (both having a 1-2 score) but OGLU have beaten G2. Either vlr.gg is wrong or yinsu.

edit: same with BBL and Navi in Group B. BBL have beaten Navi but Navi has the better round difference so they are above BBL although both have the same score and BBL won h2h.

How is FNC locked in Playoffs? Can't ACE, FPX and G2 still kick them out if a huge miracle happens? Technically speaking nothing is yet confirmed, right?

You put that in your first post and we're fine. I actually thought for a moment that you think a team losing after a roster change would be a bad thing. But you clearly showed good arguments why steel is a world-class igl in your last post. I totally agree to that. I just still don't think that 100T falling apart after his departure proofs anything.

Yeah I just said that they lost to Rise and C9.
I don't think you get my point. I always agreed that they fell apart after steels departure. But I don't think that proofs that steel is a worldclass igl. Without steel they've only played 4 vct matches before making more changes (departure of steel, nitr0, b0i and dicey) where they won against GenG and XSET and lost to Rise and C9. That's still a very decent performance. If you think that a team after a roster and also role changes immediately has to be as strong as before, than that's where we disagree. I think that if they would've benched Hiko, Asuna, Ethan or nitr0 instead of steel the team would have still not been able to qualify for champions. Because roster changes always make things difficult.

I can just repeat myself: steel and nitr0 left the org with only two days in between. That is -in my opinion- the same time. If two days make such a huge difference in your mind I will accept that now.
Also they only lost to Rise and C9 in the LCQ if I remember correctly with C9 being the only NA team to reach playoffs later at champions. It was disappointing they didn't get a spot for champions but in my opinion losing to C9 and Rise and winning against GenG and XSET was still a good performance for a team with a substitute and recent role changes.

You're right, there were 2 days between the announcements.
steel was benched for the LCQ and they came pretty far with a substitute and changing roles. So you can't really compare that with the time steel was on the active roster. And then after LCQ steel and nitr0 left with 2 days between both departures.

nitr0 and steel left the team at the same time. You were saying that "They were losing for a long time before nitros departure". Now you're saying "I didn't say they were losing a long time before steels departure because they weren't". So when nitr0 and steel both left they were losing for a long time but also weren't losing for a long time. That doesn't make any sense.

Ok but if they were losing for a long time before nitr0s departure then they were losing for a long time before steels departure too. That just proofs the point that you can't say that '100t literally fell apart after steel's departure literally proves 4 wrong'. Because as you were saying they were already losing for a long time before that. Maybe you can't tell if he's a 'worldclass igl' right now because he's on a 'less than good team' but if he would be the player he was often displayed as, wouldn't a tier 1 team pick him up as igl?

They did not fall apart because of steel's departure. nitr0 was the real loss for 100T. Him leaving was announced a day after steel leaving and his absence made it difficult for 100T to find their old strength. After that they just messed up with too many roster changes and now they have to find themselves again first. steel is now losing to T2 teams and not even getting close to qualify for a main event so that makes him overrated and not the 'world class IGL' he was getting called.

It's not just you. It feels like EU right now is mostly based on individual plays. Many teams have a 'star' in the roster who needs to perform for the team to win. NA on the other side is really strat heavy. Clearly the teams still have 'stars' in the rosters but it feels like the executions don't rely on one person to pop off.
At least that's my impression of the scene right now. Maybe the new meta just fits NA teams better than EU teams. I'm definitely hyped to see which teams will earn a spot for copenhagen and what region will perform the best on the international stage.

Group A looks amazing. The battle between XSET, TSM and NRG is very intense, with 100T and Ghost still possibly unlocking their full potential. Only The Guard a bit disappointing.

I love this thread

Ohh so this is what Bo3 means: V1, LG and SEN playing simultaneously.