how does it work then since you seem to know how angles work. Maybe online it would be but LAN is a different story of who sees first. especially in that angle

Marved is 4th or the last one alive for the team most of the time, when victor plays duelist, marved doesn't come 2nd to trade, it's normally crashies or yay that does.

DRX were literally not entering his site what are you talking about? a lot of times DRX goes to a different site where yay doesn't play. So where does this come from?

that's literally in yay's POV... so yes he would see buzz, in buzz's POV he sees yay first. you're acting like I said yay didn't see buzz. I said buzz sees yay first in that angle before yay does and he still lost

all the stats I've mentioned already exist. so if there's no counter argument, then why bother?

This is where I already told you that you don't know what pace means let alone a player setting it up

clip of what? buzz getting killed by yay at B long? it was literally the same game you posted above. it's there

If you can't have any statistical data to show marved being as good, then why bother? this is like saying KennyS is the best AWPER on CSGO history because he flicks faster inhumane level. Which does not mean anything when Dev1ce or s1mple has better stats on the weapon

he does sets the pace, even when he doesn't get first kills his ability to hold post plants is also the sets that he puts. On defense nobody would enter his site and would go to other site, this has happened multiple times.

how is buzz not favored? he sees yay before yay sees him in that angle.

"Marved could do that with his eyes close" this is where dickriding starts to evolve for you. Marved is a capable OPer but he is no where near close as good

yeah and? yay's ability to hold the post plant was the reason they won a lot of rounds and supporting the planter. it's not even just 1 map and it's been all maps vs DRX

Poor argument... yay killing buzz on long B which buzz is favored to win literally shows his incredible mechanics and his reaction time. Marved never done that, any good OPer can hit a raze satcheling out.

since you said unbiased, his first kill and first death ratio proves how he sets the pace for his team. if yay were to be unsuccessful on that then his impact would diminish

how can I be a dickrider when it's factual? I would have to exaggerate for me to be a dickrider

Yes he is... against DRX is the proof of yay setting the team's pace. because his first kills especially on breeze and Bind was so crucial for them to enter the site OR on defense to have a 5v4 conversation.

he'd be a the 'greatest' lurk. but no precedent data would even say he's remotely close of first kill player that sets the pace for his team like yay does. Even during his Faze phase, he was always the lurker if not the guy who trades kills

in what statistics says he is? you're comparing a capable OPer vs someone who's the best at it.

just like any good player can change their playstyle... so your point makes no sense. any good ass player can change their playstyles and doesn't mean they'd be the greatest at it.

and I can tell you don't know the word "pace" means let alone what it takes for a player to set it up

1st of all marved is not the type of player to go in and die like would and get the first kill. there would be 2 lurkers if there's 2 Marveds

do you know that without yay's first kills Optic would not be able to win and have marved in the position for his huge lurks? That's why yay is the best player because he sets the pace for his team.

I would agree he gets help from his team, but that HAPPENS sometimes because they have to set up victor to entry as yay is no longer the jett anymore. As chamber meta goes on the less help yay needs to get his opening kills which sets up victor for success. to get a pick with an OP you need excellent timing and not only that you need to have a read on the map more so than a smoke player. So that being said what you're saying is true if yay is the entry which he isn't because victor plays that role and has more resources to entry and yay doesn't need it because he gets his first openers using an OP or peeking something dry.

ironically, you PUT marved's peak as 1 game thing when I literally called you out for that because that's not what peaks are. So in essence you're judging a player off of 1 game and because they did outstanding does not mean it's their peak.
I've used the sports analogy and you're completely wrong, even when using other esports, 1 game DOES not mean it's the player's peak.

Marved in this tournament has been slightly better if that's what you're saying which I already agreed, but yay's tournaments on LAN is far better than marved's including, aside from saying he's a smoke player, you can't give any real good arguments for why Marved's performance last tournament was better.

so you're agreeing what yay does is better because what he does is harder...

If you look at the game, marved is the anchor and the lurker for Optic most of the time. So how is someone who gets the round opener harder than someone who anchors around the smokes and lurks?

As for peaks, IF you're going off 1 game performance then you don't know what peaks are, this is like saying in sports we base someone off 1 game, because no matter how much you slice it, that's not peaks of a player.

This tournament Marved definitely edges out a little bit, but that didn't matter when this is about peaks and Yay beats him out on that... If you're going peaks off 1 game, then that shows how bland it is to use 1 game.

Controller is harder in a ranked settings but controller is now in the position to do well because of the smoke capability and lurks especially for Marved who lurks the most for Optic. Yay's role being the round opener is definitely harder as it is hard to get a kill when a team is disciplined. Having an over 60% FBSR shows how impactful someone is.

that means you need to lose some weight and start eating healthy

so basically a 1 game thing? we're talking about on how you do throughout. The thing is with marved he didn't play bad in this tournament. Yay's day 1 performance were bad in any level of pro play. That being said yay's stats is much better than marved's and yay's role is as hard as marveds, being the first to get a kill to open a round is as hard.

The stats says no when it comes to their peaks. Even during Iceland, Marved's stats is no where near close yay's overall stats in that tournament, and if you take off the day 1 slumped from yay, he actually has better numbers.

That being said Marved did amazing for his role, but nobody sets the standards more than yay will.

how is getting first deaths for a duelist is a bad thing? that's their role, to create space and for others to get the trade.

people here are blaming RB when the 2nd map DRX OVERALL got stomped, and the 3rd map he was literally entrying for the team with no trades.

not their fault when EU teams gets bombed out early on the lower bracket

yay's peak performance definitely smurfs marved's but since yay had an awful day 1, the numbers are so dumbed down.

"Off tournament" not as big as Iceland, but he performed really well vs LOUD and KRU, as for XSET he didn't need it when they were stomping them as a team.

Ironic from a team that hasn't won shit or even made top 2 on LAN

"inconsistent" the ONLY game this tournament where yay underperformed was against Guild. the rest of the games he played good and starting to find his rhythm.

tell nats to get to LAN first...

yay was literally not shutdown on ascent... a team diff does not mean a player was being shutdown. At the 2nd half yay was getting multi kills and Optic started to win rounds but it was too late.

They didn't even shut down yay during their match. If anything yay played amazing despite being "ignored and go to different site".

Cryo was literally getting his kills off of saves and exists... that's what I call empty stats

nats was never a pure controller player... the only controller he played was viper

FNS is right... an online tournament to qualify and then going to playoffs right away for LAN environment seems odd for competitive integrity.

Optic vs LOUD was by far the best game

How is it exactly easy bracket?

Recency bias but he's their most important player

after being negative vs EG and XSET. Yay was still their best player. Against Guild, that's yay's first time being negative on LAN. Marved has had many cases of that.

Marved has had few games where he was better but Yay has like 20+ games where he carried optic. Let's not rewrite history on what happened

basing this off one game is a stupid take

When yay was playing jett, he was the entry fragger. btw he entries with an OP more often with a rifle. it shows his confidence of being successful.

That being said Wardell wasn't the type of Jett to entry with an OP or entry in general.

because people are stick to recency bias and are impatient until a run is over for them.

they tried for sure, but you can try while also being sick. But I agree this loss could either backfire Optic of having to play groups or make a deep run again

hopefully before they play in groups, they recover and feel much better than they did in stage 2 playoffs.

getting covid is no joke

sometimes you just don't win. That being said either this backfires Optic to play through group stage or benefits them to make a deep run or perhaps going back to back