Sen needed an IGL and that's why they cut marved, marved would've left for the NRG roster anyway and also pancada is literally being paid to do nothing and can find a team without any buyout which is huge for him and any org trying to get him, while the lack of communication was kinda bad, it doesnt really change anything as they are not kicking him out of the org or anything

trust me even if yay dropped 30 every game, the team would still be bad, they are just a bad team yall just love shitting on people when they are already down and also if ur gonna blame anyone then blame the coaching staff for taking the decision to put a worldclass passive chamber/jett player and tried to slot him into a very different role after paying a mil

TenZ never "failed to adapt", TenZ isn't the type of guy to force his team to play around him, the coaching staff and the IGL made the decision to make him play primary duelist instead of trying him on other roles and it hurt them in the long term because well TenZ was never the entry fragger, he was always the defender sided aggro duelist/2nd in, also are we forgetting that this was the year were he had a hell of a lot going on in his personal life??? like he was fighting a war outside of game and it even showed in a lot of his streams but now with the right people around him he can perform, hell you can even put him on jett and he will fry because he was never a bad jett player, 2023 sen just didn't utilize him properly

he likes to be different to farm impressions, does it all the time

bringing up old posts and being annoying as shit is considered pretty stupid

that isn't my point, the finals were objectively an advantage and LOUD definitely tried their hardest to win this game but SEN were just way better on split, sunset and lotus

although acegamer is stupid as fuck ur just being equally stupid by not saying this is an important game, the 3 champs points is the same prize as if u were to win the whole madrid tourney so its undeniably very valuable and a very good advantage, the irrelevant game was the first time sen and loud played because look at SEN now, they still made it and won finals, if that matchup was so important then SEN wouldn't have made it all the way here and won the entire thing and its not like the 3 maps SEN won were close, SEN shat on LOUD

ikr gekko barely had any impact in both halfs, the wingman just got broken half the time whenever they tried to plant and they lost spike half the time, running tenz on harbor and making him prove himself on it might be the play here icl

Fundamentals are a huge part and America's and EMEA teams look more drilled

The question should be if Gen G can beat LOUD because Pacific looked so far like the weakest region other than China

"everyone knows its real" delusion at its finest

just terrible comps

I do accept it but you make it seem like SEN didn't have a chance, even if 1 pistol round or any of the clutch rounds from cauanzin or saadhak had gone slightly different, the split wouldve been sentinels 100%, that LOUD game was way closer than people think and SEN could've easily 2-0'd if it wasn't for the gimmick comps by LOUD

you are making it seem like they have an insane pistol but when u actually watch it back u will see how close the rounds actually were and if 1 variable were to change it would change the entire pistol round leading to sen snowballing

there's no "Wyatt's law", the better team wins and if SEN look shaky again then they will lose but based on form rn, SEN should beat LOUD pretty convincingly and their sunset wasn't as impressive as SEN, they just played against an inherently worse team plus LOUD won't have the surprise factor this time

everyone had jitters + pistol wins can be very luck based because of the low amount of util and if sen won 1 of the pistols then it wouldve been a different story or if they didnt throw against saadhak, SEN just looked shaky

no saadhak having a life game on splt makes it a fluke, i still think loud would've won on the 3rd map because SEN were looking very shaky but if they play properly then its over for LOUD, they didn't look very impressive against EG

true, they participate in goated tournaments such as redbull homegrounds

yeah the amazing counterstratting that helped them get 3 rounds against the most played map by SEN, absolute genius by chet and the others

so? they are the top 2 teams from every region and they deserve to be there, nobody fluked their way into it or anything

What's this whole deal about this tourney being "the least competitive", is it just because FNC didn't make it? because that's bs FNC just got outplayed by a new team and all though they are still a good team they just aren't the best team in EMEA, same thing with NAVI. This isn't because FNC got considerably worse either, the other teams just got better and FNC failed to adapt so far and NAVI just look uninspiring to say the least and the same goes for pacific, Gen G hard clears DRX and overall Madrid is going to have very high quality valorant being played (atleast way higher than that of LOCK//IN)

nah, sunset should have never been that close, sen shouldve had it in the bag they let them stick the spike twice and lost both pistols and forced after 1st pistol round loss

let's try and beat regional teams first yea?

we dont claim this bum

im confident enough to say that they have chances but it just feels like they are backed up against the wall rn, its gonna take a lot to win this one

Curious to know what y'all think the chances for SEN are in this matchup, they are quite obviously the underdogs and are slightly expected to lose but still I think its higher than what most people are making it seem like, I think SEN has a 40% chance of winning and even if they don't win I'm sure they can put up a decent showing, the only problem here is that the anti-strating could dismantle SEN unless they change everything up which is very unlikely but even then it'll be fun to watch 2 teams who have their fundamentals done right

he's like steel if steel was unfunny and even more annoying to listen to

thats not the flex u think it is fam

u have to be good for once in ur life to be washed bro lmfaoo

ur gold 1 fam, ur terrible

ben tenz

i dont mean the literal retake setups, the util combo and a few new things will definitely catch them off guard but its not game changing or anything, a timeout could fix all of that

i was really impressed with tenz comms tho, he was lowkey calling pretty impressive stuff in their new comms video but cryo is like jimmy he only talks when he has to which is also required because if u have 5 talkative people then comms would get all messed up and shit

he was a really good flex player and the only reason he is having to play entry role rn is because cryo couldnt but they have fixed all their role issues and if they can fix a little bit of their spacing, trading and a few other fundamentals this team can compete with the best in the world, like cmon fam we all thought they were gonna get shit on and they were few rounds away from beating lev and if they get asuna back to his normal form this team will do damage

acting as if those arent fixable issues, tenz used to be shit on duelist at times too and now look at him, sometimes a team has issues with setting up their duelist (especially raze maps) and it makes the player look bad, asuna used to be good at raze and he can most definitely bounce back if they fix their spacing issues (he tends to be ahead of the pack which throws everyone off) fix that and asuna wll be good

his comms are fine and does provide value to the team but its the way he does it thats the problem

SEN do have a chance to win this and its not that low either but its just that NRG just have too many vods on SEN and SEN have barely anything on NRG

it would be a massive fumble to take tenz off from yoru well because they quite literally have the best bind yoru player

they dont really use tenz tp to take space, they crunch showers during defense a lot and push b long a lot too, gekko flash combined with yoru flashes can be really dangerous it is basically like their sunset comp with gekko and kayo but instead of kayo we have yoru here, it can definitely work but a lot of adjustments and new protocols will be required for them to be solid

ok now i understand ur just baiting lmfaoo actual delusion if u arent baiting

most of it comes down to fundamentals like u watch sen play maps like split and then u watch any other emea team other than fnatic and navi and it feels very weird, they have a lot of set strats and very cool gimmicky rounds but apart from that the team play and cohesion is just lacking which is not surprising because most of the rosters in emea are built from the ground up (again other than fnc and navi) and this also affects the midrounding coz most of the igls are rookies and they seem very inexperienced (making very readable and basic calls, not bad ones but yea) but i do believe heretics can be really good with a little bit more time and that goes for most of emea due to the new formation of rosters and most of the teams lack identity for example sen are really good at retakes meanwhile nrg are really good controlling the pace and defaulting properly and loud have godlike mid rounding with that being said a lot of the teams show glimpses of promise like vitality and kc and heretics and with enough time they can be contenders but rn americas clears

he said koi (and heretics) lmfaoooooooo, trust me here americas top 3 clears every other team in every other region other than fnatic (and maybe navi) and I'm not even american

edit : but i do agree that sen need to beat nrg to prove that they can beat anyone no matter who they are against

its not even them saving strats, it just felt like lazy valorant just contacting everywhere and playing way too textbook and they never did any set strats everything felt very on the fly

moca jinx is real

their breeze and bind are super easy to read and can be picked up apart with enough time (u have to consider the afreeca vods too coz they are doing the same things a lot of the time) they didnt show lotus and sunset and thats their only way to win this game but NRG will prolly ban one of these maps

their comps are gonna remain the same but they will most likely have a lot of set strats and retake/post plant shit that will catch everyone on sen off guard

surely we have a different bind comp or ascent comp RIGHT???

This is over for SEN like NRG hasn't shown anything meanwhile SEN played all their maps and showed most of their strats but John did say they were trying to show much in the playins but even then the only way they win is if somehow this isnt their actual comps and they just show up with completely new comps on some of the maps but NRG wins this 60% of the time

there are actual people here saying g2 are better than sen coz they lost this meaningless match

if this match mattered like the first map did, this wouldve BEEN over a while ago