almost everyone knows about marved and his comments on kyedae and also the fact that he apologized and they most likely moved on from that situation. its weirdos that bring it up everytime

dont confuse viewership with quality, NA viewership is because of influencers like tarik carrying the scene. Even if t2 orgs in NA practise with t1 orgs - it doesnt automatically mean they will get better, also the number of teams getting out of ascension is the same. Added incentive for LATAM t2 players is that if they are insane, high paying NA orgs can buy them without worrying about imports.

csgo never died in EU and other regions, why would cs2 die? NA CSGO is dead so CS2 wont make a difference unless they bring in monumental changes.

remember that guy yay who won best esport player in '22? nowhere to be seen now

msn and yahoo chatrooms clear all

yay is American so not really

apology rejected

you need a culture surrounding the game to develop it, there isnt much culture around Football in NA like in EU and Brazil. Also alot of European club footballers are all imports from other countries - especially of African descent who have great athletic ability + they get the necessary training in EU. Given the fact that USA has enough money to import the talent + provide the facilities to train and pay them -- all that is needed is a culture to be developed. US will own yall if and when that happens

if the whole world is saying something, maybe something wrong with you, no?

go watch ardiis vod, he mentioned it in his stream

given how many times Brazilians pulled out the xenophobia/racism card, isnt he allowed to pull that card when NRG was literally getting threats on stage?

how does one pracc so much and then get diffed like that.. is this just skill diff?

how does EG have weak financials? ur braindead

2 of marved, Shahzam, skuba, valyn, trent. Valyn before shaz cause mce has worked with him before

people woulda stayed 5 more minutes if LOUD won.

all English speakers watch and follow the NA scene + the players, EU is more diverse with different languages which is why the numbers get diluted. Its like how every English speaking person knows/watches Hollywood.

never proved himself as a pro - played on 100t for a hot minute + pros say hes hard to play with + did not even try to compete in tier 3/tier 2 to play for an ascension team which means he wont play pro the entire year BUT he says he is franchised level player for who ascension is micky mouse. Delusional enough to think that he will be picked up by a franchised org while he sits on his ass cosplaying Sage and doing sub games

COVID + US is strict with visas as there is an interview for most countries - so an international LAN is tough to host here.

how so? Its literally 3-3. If you really wanna count Lock-in then its 4-3 but Lock-IN will never happen again, was an introductory tournament with single elimination - Riot literally mentioned that the purpose of this tournament was to introduce every franchised team. Not sure why EU is behaving like they won Champions.

EU has like 100 countries + more players + more slots for every tournament. NA is just US orgs with some Canadian players. Americas vs EMEA is a much fairer comparison in the franchised world.

simple fact that if LOUD had won, they would've stayed a couple more minutes for the award ceremony rejects your excuses

i 1000% they should've stayed and appreciated but the context is important aswell - in Turkey those who turned up for the event were not home team supporters but those who enjoy the game and wanted to witness the event and had no real stake in the game itself. eSports is not developed and followed the same everywhere(EU leads in this) and we can have W crowds once people actually travel internationally to watch their teams play like in football.

Also, region/country bashing in this thread is awful - I've seen EU supporters riot and physically attack after a loss in football or even the racist chants and throwing of bananas at players. I also know in South Asia, stadiums have been lit on fire after a loss in a cricket match.

tenz could move to 6th considering the Sick situation in that case but most likely wont be financially viable for SEN to have both of them in the roster, and yay wouldnt wanna move just cause tenz decides to come back and vice versa

Chet and FNS duo as coach & IGL.
yay and tenz as firepower - both might lose this title if they dont perform this year

true goat is prob tarik cause he caries the scene as a streamer

you guys didnt win the trophy but yall woulda won the hearts of every val fan if u guys just stuck there to appreciate fnatic, cause it takes real courage to applaud after a loss. maybe next time

TRUE! When EMEA fucking has 10 teams and they claim each one of them then why not us?

this will snowball. heard it here first

not true, other NA teams will adapt and do better than what u saw in Lockinn.. i dont see LOUD winning in Los Angeles

hope im wrong cause i want extra slot for Americas but dont think it will happen

my prediction FNATIC 3-0 LOUD
LOUD does not qualify for Tokyo. This might be the end of the line for LOUD in 2023

hey man u ever heard of having a face only a mother could love, even my mom thinks im ugly but we vibing..

whats wrong with being ugly? representation matters

ohhh thats pretty cool

do u live in brazil or did u actually fly to watch them play live?

EMEA has 10 teams, NA has 5. Appropriate comparison would be with Americas. Anyway, the format of this tournament is such that region/team comparisons are foolish

ok whats with your name tho?

do u guys think it is possible tenz takes a break to be 6th man and gets filled in by yay cause of whole kyedae and Sick situation? maybe financially not viable for SEN

hope kyedae recovers soon <33

fuck that bro

so will there be crowd for the VCT Americas league in LA? if yes we gonna make sure the crowd buff helps 4 NA teams to go to Tokyo >:}

until then go get that extra slot LOUD <333333333

there is a reason LFT G2 Oxy has still not removed LFT from his user

unless you have a reading comprehension issue, you would understand that i did not say Sick is not good enough. Just that the whole sentiment around 6th man is not good enough to be in the playing 5 might've affected his feelings which lead up to an outburst following a bad situation. No good player likes to be on the bench.

recency bias.
xset with sykko, dephh qualified for lan and did well in '22 NA. only 25 players/5 IGLs play franchised, so dephh is chosen above shazam. if dephh doesnt do shit in '23, he will be booted out too.

i think the general feeling that 6th man is considered useless/not good enough to be on the team has affected this situation, especially orgs like C9 openly joking by calling their 6th man a janitor. Although Sick might not admit to it having an affect, but there must be that lingering feeling about not being considered good enough anymore - he directing this feeling to one bad situation.

honestly after all the FAT Ls we took in Lock-in, I have no interest in watching T2 NA cause none of them will ever make it on an international LAN

because he was dropped from 100t after loosing 13-0 against Guard and the guy had to do sage cosplay to make ends meet

i mean they played Navi for their first game and blew a 9-3 lead on the second map.. its the same benefit of doubt that I gave SEN

yeah its close, i think NAVI vs LOUD will give us a better picture.. if Navi just destroy LOUD then we wont really know

1. LOUD
2. Leviathan
3. NRG
4. FURIA
5. SEN, KRU (unlucky played fnatic, navi)
6. C9 (without yay this goes down further)
7. 100T
8. EG ( won 2 more rounds than MIBR against Talon)
9. MIBR

if yay leaves NA, it will be game over for the scene in NA.. only NRG

yep lol.. we looking lost like the kids in walmart