we don't believe you lil bro

probably like 8 digits maybe more

no

We missed out on Skuba because he was locked up and we got Bang (no complaints)

sen was supposed to get him if he wasn't locked up

don't count

guys chill, it's the omen initiation ceremony, every player in SEN's franchising era has to play omen at least once ( sorry sacy)

i recommend it, i didn't get to watch fuckass sentinels troll again and my day was amazing

i didn't watch but 13-11 against fnatic is decent no?

fr, just let johnqt call pre-round and n4rrate and zellsis to call mid-round

you just don’t know ball

with three rookies and a autistic IGL

LMAOOOOOOO

i don't think his leadership as a non-igl is enough to put him above some insanely talented players like less or mako, his place in most top10s is because he is a pioneer, leader AND the only player to win both masters and champs

sacy masterclass ascent on champs istanbul GF

so why is sacy here?

there's pride in shamelessness

i don't think we should rank igls in general, too convoluted and we cannot see their true impact

remove boaster

dephh was so shit he isn't even listed here

i think him and alfa should switch places

that meteor placement is insane

thing with demon1 is his skill level hasn't dropped a bit idk what teams are doing with him

phoenix would get abused on this map

i'd say aspas over demon1 and tenz over nats,leo and t3xture

derke is also very low on this list

ball knower

my goat needs to leave vitality

2021 is mickey mouse until we're talking about nats lmao

i never really said we should ignore 2022-2023, also chron and leo don't have two years better than tenz

you see these lists as very literal, being top 2 doesn't mean you can only get outperformed by 2 players

derke has also gotten diffed by basically every duelist alive so i dont get the rhetoric here, to be above someone you need to have consistently outfragged him on your head to heads? you need to have no weak series?

2022 is electrician era

if your list has the best players of all time as the greatest then that's fair enough

because meteor hasn't even reached tenz's peaks and probably never will, he can only surpass him in consistency, which is why alfa is also easily over tenz

if we're talking hypotheticals tenz would be better this year because of yoru

Hell, even when sen eliminated fnc, chron and derke still differ him.

he was asleep that series, everyone diffed him lol

if goat list is not a trophy contest then get sacy and chronicle out

chron is number 2, meteor is not over tenz yet but he will be eventually if he keeps it up

2 time winner and mvp isn't top 10, stop talking

record holder with 2 trophies on 2 different rosters on different roles without falling off, your corny ass " he was top 2 and top 10" is not an objective truth

less only played good in 2022-2023 and meteor on 2024-2025, meteor is better according to the listed logic

and a lot of teams that would go on to win later were not good enough to qual for iceland (acend,gambit)

That impacts the legacy of any player and tenz is no exception just because he redeemed himself.

it does impact his legacy, if we removed those years he becomes top 2

because if we take it into account then old players will constantly just get cycled out, if we use your logic then meteor the senti goat and karon the controller goat

And tenz struggled with Zekken, marved, pancada, and sacy

you didn't get the point, you're comparing dysfunctional sen rosters with guild rosters that made internationals, guild was NOT bad

tenz didn't have a 2 year slump, sentinels did, this was proven last year when he got a decent team and instantly became world class

Reykjavik is less impressive because masters 1 is automatically less impressive than later tourneys

no logical backing for this

Leo with a shit team 2022

let's compare sayf and trexx to kanpeki,rawkus,shroud and zombs

Also, his prime year is much more recent than tenz’s prime year

this is also an invalid argument, recency bias has no place in all-time lists

reykjavik and berlin tenz remain as some of the highest peaks in valorant history, he also dominated regionally, cned is only here because his team won champs and chronicle because he was great on champs

nats is easily the best player of that year

he definitely was better than chronicle and cned, i'd argue yay was also over cned

nats and less above him is objectively wrong, leo is debatable

this is hilarious

tenz is minimum top 7

also 4th best of 2021 is laughable to say the least

you have nats at 5, all he has done is win a trophy and then statpad on a mediocre region for 3 years

my bald goat sæçy