Individually, I don't think so. They have the potential to be on par with the other regions. Just not developed enough as a scene yet

That is not the point. I can guarantee that even with Qck, LOUD would have won that series against FNATIC at champs; and that only proves the strength of Sadhaak as an IGL. FNATIC looked lost in that series, and not because they were getting outgunned; but because they got outread.

LOUD are far more than just their firepower, and you know that. The main factor that went into winning that series was the anti-strating of Sadhaak.

Zekken beat that team in a fairly close series.

The team which LOUD won against at Champs?

You are now comparing two players' ratings that don't even play in the same region. You're just blurting out statistics without considering what they actually prove at this point.

I think Less is number 1, but I don't think that it's freakishly outlandish to have Zekken at number 1 either regardless of his rating. He provides far more than just a high rating as well, is that really the most imperative metric we use to measure the skill level of a player?

Reasonable

somebody hasn't been watching china

Certified free thinker who changed their flair to sentinels after they started winning

Dude. Just because they beat them ONCE, does not mean LOUD are totally incapable of beating them in a REMATCH. HELLOOOO????? It's Sadhaak for christ sake. LOUD are arguably the most consistent team in the world and you shouldn't count them out because they lost one Bo5 to a team which they previously won against.

You aren't helping the reputation of SEN fans

Ohhhh my bad, misread. preach!

Exactly.

Derke is unfair. He had a couple bad series', dude is still a monster.

Why are you singling out Elma?

Boaster essentially expressed that this year he wanted to run simple comps, avoiding 'gimmicky' comps which led to their eventual loss. They were far too easy to anti-strat due to their reluctance to innovate.

Were you here last year?

lol

SEN fans do the exact same shit when you put LOUD or KC at number 1

What's wrong with TuyZ?

Ya'll are as bad as each other; polluting this site with even more garbage for the past couple of weeks

likely story

dude has been hiding it because of their form the past 2 years LMFAO

Not really a fanbase but those who will bite at the "fraudnatic" take whenever provided with the opportunity regardless of their current state. Those guys are pretty funny.

yawn

Talking shit about other people's flairs when you don't have one. Coward.

let it die

LOUD at 1. I fear that this list is based.

BOOOOOORING

V useful analysis! Thank you!

They are good at Sunset and Split. Two of those maps happened to be in the bo5. They aren't good at Breeze, Icebox and Bind, they are banning Ascent, and their Lotus is a big question mark right now. LOUD are decent at basically every map, and the ones that they aren't good at, are due to experimentations within their agent comps

Also, I made far more points in that paragraph than just map pool. lmfao

I can't believe that we lost this guy to Immi

Why would they start to shift their ideas when before that SEN match, they hadn't lost a series? Obviously they have more reason to now. Also, I'm not really sure why we push this narrative that because LOUD lost to Sentinels ONCE, they're just totally not capable of winning? There are so many external and internal factors that favour LOUD; whether that be having more international LAN experience in recent memory or maybe even a deeper map pool. And... again, out of all the teams in Americas, I'd argue that they need those points the least

Are we seriously gonna act like out of all teams, LOUD aren't unable to quickly innovate and develop new ideas when they need to?

1. LOUD
2. Sentinels
3. Karmine Corp
4. EDward Gaming
5. Team Heretics
6. Paper Rex
7. Gen.G
8. FunPlus Phoenix

She's better than numerous duelists in the main circuit somebody sign her!!!!

1. LOUD Less
2. KC N4RRATE
3. SEN Zekken
4. KC Marteen
5. LOUD Cauanzin
6. TH MiniBoo
7. EDG ZmjjKK
8. GEN.G t3xture
9. PRX Something
10. EDG CHICHOO

Dude is out here treating flairs like the holy grail lmfao

LOUD 2-1 GEN.G

KC 2-0 FPX

SEN 2-1 Heretics

EDG 2-1 PRX

If franchising was based on performance, SEN wouldn't be here

Most obvious results are both LOUD vs Gen.G and KC vs FPX

As for SEN vs TH and PRX vs EDG, I think that those games are up for debate and regardless of who you choose to win, there's huge upset potential there.

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Marteen
Zexrow
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1. Sentinels
2. Karmine Corp
3. LOUD
4. Team Heretics
5. Edward Gaming
6. Paper Rex
7. Gen.G
8. FunPlus Phoenix

Lack of a masters or champions title?

Comes from a pretty overlooked region?

I think there's a culmination of reasons

I think he's up there for the goat debate though

Remember when sentinels said that they weren't gonna run the default Ascent comp? fucking scammers

shut up bitch

bro thinks this random vlr user is a member of fnatic 😭😭😭

Out of all the teams other than SEN, LOUD need those champions points the least

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