you edited it, great job!

the conversation was between him and moises caicedo i think
gravenberch clears so hard

smartest united fan
your sign is flipped

arsenal 2nd in both the epl and ucl rn
its beautiful

VAMOSSSS up the reds
even if we choke everything is set up perfectly for our 90+11' 3-2 winner

boaster contributes by calling
if you think about it he assists them

what's more interesting is th 2-0 g2

you defend them by trying to push the 3 years late argument i guess, and maybe that they're all in hard groups (the cn team in the easiest group didn't go 0-2)
other than that i have no clue

with all the hate surrounding sen rn most people would consider beating s0n a given
they played GOOD tho but they're 4th seed. so maybe its the teams (mainly BLG EDG) that would get shamed

as a hardstuck solo q silver, idk just shoot them

although tbf G2 went 21-2 with their only losses coming to SEN, but they were all 1-map differences and G2 won those tournaments anyway

by good run, i would expect them to challenge G2

G2 were regionally untouchable the whole of 2025.

definitely
the best possible outcome is rrq win a close series i guess, but the baiters will shit on CN all the same (as they rightfully should)

champs will be the judging point for RRQ now since they've used up their first strike at toronto already
if RRQ wins people will be neutral, but CN will get shat on because their #1 went 0-2
if RRQ loses then they get called regional merchants (because they are)

kk activated
honestly the thing about fluke runs is if the other teams were so much better, why not just stop them and win?
not calling WOL's run at toronto a fluke, but prx did what a proper good team would and stomped them 27-20

what eye test
like it doesnt fit in terms of what

my original goal was to prove how farmer edg was, and i was genuinely so shocked when i realised how buns internationally lulquid was lmao

as you can clearly tell im a nerd
so this is personally a pretty fun way to educate myself on valorant history

ty LMAO

lmaooo ty!

yep

did this over 2 days in my free time, about 5-6h total?

because i have the list of regional points, i also have the list of international points (will only put teams <200 international points here, and will split this by year in a separate post):
1 FNC (1880.67), 2 PRX (1684.5), 3 EG (1465), 4 EDG (1231.67), 5 Gen.G (1084.33), 6 TH (941), 7 SEN (687), 8 LOUD (613.83), 9 G2 (583.25), 10 T1 (553.13), 11 LEV (280.13), 12 WOL (203.5).

• this list here cements FNC as the goat org of valorant: while prx might be on top of their region, and top of the total points chart by a small margin, international performances are much more important than regional performances, and FNC can be seen here in an absolute tier of their own. with such a big gap to PRX, and also being top of their own region, the MOST COMPETITIVE region oat in valorant, they are definitely the greatest of all time. the list below also helps their argument

the main list I was looking for: who are the biggest regional farmers of all time? (ranked by percentage explained above)
only the 1st-18th placed teams will be on this because the teams below are just shit in general with 4 exceptions (DRG, EG, WOL, and GX who won’t be on the list but i need to mention in order to not get flamed. anyway this list doesn’t take into account current form so yea)
this list will be divided into 4 tiers:

tier 1: farmer material
DRG (98.6%) - they ascended in 2023, i guess still acceptable + they dont have a lot of points anyway, so this makes sense
RRQ (98.3%) - they’ve only qualified to 1 masters, i don’t think they count
XLG (98.3%) - again, ascended in 2024, like a drg situation but more acceptable
BLG (97.5%) - this is where it starts to get fishy. this is cn’s 2nd seed behind EDG, and their best international appearance is 7th-8th at champs 2023. hmmmmmmm.
FPX (96.1%) - again, on the lower side of points + cn as a whole mostly has very high percentages anyways
DRX (87.9%) - ohohohohohohho this is bad. my 5th-6th kings are here. but judging by their performance so far this could change, so let them be. for now.
NRG (80.5%) - historically, mid internationally, and the only reason theyre up here is cos they dont qualify to that many internationals anyway. if you wanna start arguing, they are one win away from a guaranteed 7th-8th this champs, so be quiet for now
100T (75.5%) - same thing as NRG, except they have even less international success. plus, they dont have that many total points anyway, so we let it slide. ive never heard anyone talk about nrg and 100T doing well regionally in my life anyway

tier 2: doing well
G2 (65.3%) - they’ve only been in valorant for 2 years. and in their second year, they swept americas. so cut them some slack. their 2025 so far has been amazing by any team’s standards already, with a masters 1 GF and a 4th at masters 2
LEV (57.2%) - their only season with points was with aspas. and in that season, they not only placed 3rd at stage 1 and WON stage 2, they also placed 3rd in champs. fair play man
LOUD (53.3%) - this is sad. they had one good season post-franchising (again, the only season post-franchising that aspas was there — fun fact MIBR’s only points after LOCK//IN were also scored when aspas was there in 2025) but it was a good ass season. which is why they’re here
EDG (52.5%) - surprisingly, not as farmer as i thought. but this is only because they won champs. but I don’t think anyone should call a champs-winning team bad. because if everyone else was better they shouldve won champs LMAO

tier 3: steps up internationally
PRX (46.3%) - 2nd in LA, 3rd in madrid, 1st in toronto and 2nd in overall international points — they step up when they need to. except at champs 2024. we dont talk about that.
Gen.G (45.9%) - their prime was known for their international dominance, coming up with what couldve been the best (and still could be) the best season of valorant so far IF they didnt bomb out of champs that year. combine with the fact that regionally, they placed near the top but only have two wins in kickoff and stage 2 ‘24, they’re good.
SEN (43.3%) - masters madrid carried them. but what i’m starting to realise is that because sen does not do well regionally, their percentage is skewed to be lower. which makes them look better. but this just proves that they do better internationally than in their own region ig
T1 (41.2%) - again, another team that historically has never been the best team in their region; but won a masters 1 anyway. maybe this is why they call them the SEN of APAC.
FNATIC (39.4%) - another bullet point in the GOAT org convo; with such a high regional points total, they still maintain a ~40% regional:international percentage only due to their absolute MONSTROUS performances at internationals. first in international points should say enough; as a PRX fan, FNATIC is the greatest valorant org of all time.
TH (35.8%) - they’re here only because theyve never really been at the top regionally, but somehow managed to string together an absolute run to the grand finals of champs 2024. while people might say that they’ve always been good, there are better EMEA teams than them. maybe if you moved TH to AMER or CN (jokes) they wouldve won at least a couple more trophies

tier 4: cinderella run
WOL (26.9%)
EG (12.7%)
this tier speaks for itself

however, there’s one team missing from here. has anyone figured it out yet?

presenting the biggest regional farmers of all time,
5 EMEA #2 TL (97.8%, 1075/1099.13 points scored regionally)
regional finalist finishes: League 2023 1st (600), Kickoff 2025 2nd (100), Stage 1 2025 3rd (75), Stage 2 2025 1st (300)
international results: LOCK//IN Sao Paulo 17th-32nd (2), Masters Tokyo 5th-6th (8), Champions LA 13th-16th (4), Masters Bangkok 5th-6th (5.33), Masters Toronto 9th-10th (4.8)
with such amazing performances placing them near the top or OUTRIGHT at the top in the years in which they qualify to internationals, you’d expect their best placing to be better than a 5th-6th at a m2. “but oh fnatic and eg and prx were all there” then your next best placing is 5th-6th at bangkok, which t1 won. no excuses for you.
and unlike the teams above them, consisting of 2 ascended CN teams and RRTejo who has never been good until this year, TL has had 2 solid years for shots at AT LEAST an international final.
yes, let that sink in, TL has never been to an international final before.

and today, the TL side that lost to DRX in their opening match beat sleeping giants EDG in the elimination match, and even after they win that, are facing DRX again (who beat them.)

nAts has stepped up vs EDG; but if TL want to achieve a best-ever international finish by continuing their run and beating DRX, not just nAts; the whole team needs to step up for their own sakes.
and not into a cross-map teleporter in a 3v2 retake situation.

hope yall enjoyed the yap and have some bait material now lmao

this is a continuation of my attempt to find the best-performing valorant teams of all time POST-FRANCHISING objectively, yesterday i tried to quantify the best-performing teams both regionally and internationally of all time (https://www.vlr.gg/551020/best-teams-oat-post-franchising/#1)
today i try to find the biggest regional farmers behind EDG, full list at the bottom of this post.

tl;dr: EDG aren’t actually the biggest regional farmers of all time, it’s actually TL.

i modified the valorantsimulator.com points system based on feedback i got from past posts, and no one has really complained about it so here it is
the winners of these events (only included regional ones for this post) get the following points:
stage 1/2 - 300 points
champs qualifers china 2023 - 250 points (i put it here because it’s definitely less than a stage but has higher stakes than kickoff)
kickoff - 200 points
double weight 2023 league (600) since stages weren't a thing
unfortunately lcq isn’t included


another thing that’s included in this value is finalist bonus: for every event, 2nd-4th placed teams get 1/2^(position-1) x (event points), so second place gets 1/2 points, third place gets 1/4 points, fourth place gets 1/8 points

points (2023, 2024, 2025), (percentage of regional points in total point count, points gained at internationals):
1 APAC #1 PRX: 1450 (600, 475, 375) (46.3%, 1684.5)
2 CN #1 EDG: 1362.5 (250, 800, 312.5) (52.5%, 1231.67)
3 EMEA #1 FNATIC: 1225 (300, 625, 300) (39.4%, 1880.67)
4 AMER #1 G2 (Ascension 2023): 1100 (0, 300, 800) (65.3%, 583.25)
5 EMEA #2 TL: 1075 (600, 0, 475) (97.8%, 24.13)
6 APAC #2 Gen.G: 920 (75, 650, 200) (45.9%, 1084.33)
7 APAC #3 DRX: 750 (300, 212.5, 237.5) (87.9%, 103.17)
8 AMER #2 LOUD: 700 (600, 100, 0) (53.3%, 613.83)
9 CN #2 BLG: 662.5 (125, 37.5, 500) (97.5%, 16.8)
=10 EMEA #3 TH: 525 (0, 325, 200) (35.8%, 941)
=10 AMER #3 SEN: 525 (0, 200, 325) (43.3%, 687)
12 AMER #4 NRG: 475 (300, 25, 150) (80.5%, 115.08)
13 CN #3 FPX: 462.5 (62.5, 400, 0) (96.1%, 18.8)
14 APAC #4 RRQ: 450 (0, 0, 450) (98.3%, 8)
15 APAC #5 T1: 387.5 (150, 100, 137.5) (41.2%, 553.13)
16 AMER #5 LEV: 375 (0, 375, 0) (57.2%, 280.13)
=17 AMER #6 100T: 337.5 (0, 337.5, 0) (75.5%, 109.75)
=17 CN #4 XLG (Ascension 2024): 337.5 (0, 0, 337.5) (98.3%, 6)
19 EMEA #4 VIT: 300 (0, 150, 200) (70.1%, 127.83)
20 EMEA #5 FUT: 287.5 (150, 112.5, 25) (91.5%, 26.8)
21 CN #5 DRG (Ascension 2023): 275 (0, 100, 175) (98.6%, 4)
=22 EMEA #6 KC: 237.5 (0, 237.5, 0) (97.0%, 7.33)
=22 CN #6 TE: 237.5 (0, 137.5, 100) (95.2%, 12)
=24 AMER #7 EG: 212.5 (150, 25, 37.5) (12.7%, 1465)
=24 EMEA #7 NAVI: 212.5 (75, 100, 37.5) (95.6%, 9.83)
26 EMEA #8 GX: 150 (0, 0, 150) (91.1%, 14.66)
=27 AMER #8 KRU: 137.5 (0, 112.5, 25) (92.4%, 11.33)
=27 APAC #6 TALON: 137.5 (0, 37.5, 100) (94.5%, 8)
29 AMER #9 MIBR: 125 (0, 0, 125) (95.4%, 6)
=30 EMEA #9 BBL: 112.5 (0, 0, 112.5) (98.3%, 2)
=30 AMER #10 C9: 112.5 (75, 0, 37.5) (98.3%, 2)
32 CN #7 WOL: 75 (0, 0, 75) (26.9%, 203.5)
33 CN #8 TYLOO: 31.25 (31.25, 0, 0) (100%, 0)

• BBL and C9’s only international results are placing 17th-32nd at LOCK//IN ‘23, the only reason TYLOO is on this list is placing 4th at champs china qualifier ‘23

YAP STARTS HERE

relatively tame sub-list to start us off: how many regional points does a team that qualifies to champs that year have on average?
-this can be used to determine/estimate the relative strength of a year’s champs so why not
-2023 isn’t here because points replaced LCQ. for the nimwits who will ask where they are.
2024: 309.375
2025: 315.625

• in other words: 2025 champs has fielded more regionally dominant teams (e.g. RRQ, TL) in 2025 than 2024

another sub-list that you can draw from this is the biggest “one-team region” of all time, calculated as the gap between 1st and 2nd teams within a region.
1 CN: 700 (EDG > BLG) — biggest one-team region oat
2 APAC: 530 (PRX > Gen.G)
this gap could definitely be smaller though. it’s a bit of a misrepresentation because Gen.G’s peak is definitely higher than PRX’s peak.
3 AMER: 400 (G2 > LOUD)
LOUD didn’t even do anything this year and they’ve still done more within Americas than SEN has in the same timeframe (2023-2025) but tbf sen was shit in 2023
4 EMEA: 150 (FNATIC > TL) — most competitive region oat

a sub-list from the above sub-list is the gap between the teams with most and 2nd-most points regionally THIS YEAR who are currently in Champs:
1 AMER: 475 (G2 > SEN)
2 EMEA: 175 (TL > FNATIC)
before you scream at me for saying lulquid is better than fnatic they performed better in regionals throughout the year. if fnatic didn’t bomb out of stage 2 the gap here would definitely be smaller
3 CN: 162.5 (BLG > XLG)
4 APAC: 75 (RRQ > PRX)
same thing as memea: prx did shit in kickoff/stage 1

another very glaring sub-list is CN as a whole:
2 CN #1 EDG: 1362.5 (250, 800, 312.5) (52.5%, 1231.67)
9 CN #2 BLG: 662.5 (125, 37.5, 500) (97.5%, 16.8)
13 CN #3 FPX: 462.5 (62.5, 400, 0) (96.1%, 18.8)
=17 CN #4 XLG (Ascension 2024): 337.5 (0, 0, 337.5) (98.3%, 6)
21 CN #5 DRG (Ascension 2023): 275 (0, 100, 175) (98.6%, 4)
=22 CN #6 TEC: 237.5 (0, 137.5, 100) (95.2%, 12)
32 CN #7 WOL: 75 (0, 0, 75) (26.9%, 203.5)
33 CN #8 TYLOO: 31.25 (31.25, 0, 0) (100%, 0)

• EDG is responsible for 82.5% of CN’s international points; without Wolves’ Toronto run, that number is 95.5%.

how accurate is my regional system? let’s use the region rankings by year vs the actual vct championship points to determine this. take note that this list only includes regional finalists — so delighted please don’t scream at me for not including TS
for teams that tie on points, i’ll just follow the vlr order
to calculate the similarity between the 2 sequences, i’ll calculate the mean of every team’s ranked differential (the absolute difference between my ranking and the actual position of the teams); the closer it is to 0, the better.

2024:
APAC - Gen.G, PRX, DRX, T1, TALON, RRQ
actual ranking - Gen.G, PRX, DRX, TALON, RRQ, T1
mean (0, 0, 0, 2, 1, 1) = 0.67 (omg)
AMER - LEV, 100T, G2, SEN, KRU, LOUD, NRG, EG, MIBR, C9
actual ranking - LEV, G2, SEN, 100T, KRU, C9, EG, NRG, LOUD, MIBR
mean (0, 2, 1, 1, 0, 3, 1, 1, 2, 4) = 1.5
EMEA - FNATIC, TH, KC, VIT, FUT, NAVI, TL, GX, BBL
actual ranking: FUT, KC, VIT, FNATIC, TH, NAVI, BBL, TL, GX
mean (3, 3, 1, 1, 4, 0, 1, 1, 2) = 1.78
CN - EDG, FPX, TE, DRG, BLG, WOL, TYLOO
actual ranking: EDG, FPX, TE, BLG, DRG, WOL, TYLOO
mean (0, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0) = 0.33

2025:
APAC - RRQ, PRX, DRX, Gen.G, T1, TALON
actual ranking: PRX, T1, RRQ, DRX, Gen.G, TALON
mean (2, 1, 1, 1, 3, 0) = 1.33
AMER - G2, SEN, NRG, MIBR, EG, C9, KRU, LOUD, LEV, 100T
actual ranking: G2, SEN, NRG, MIBR, C9, KRU, EG, 100T, LEV, LOUD
mean (0, 0, 0, 0, 2, 1, 1, 2, 0, 2) = 0.8
EMEA - TL, FNATIC, TH, VIT, GX, BBL, NAVI, FUT, KC
actual ranking: TL, FNATIC, TH, BBL, GX, NAVI, VIT, KC, FUT
mean (0, 0, 0, 3, 0, 2, 1, 1, 1) = 0.89
CN - BLG, XLG, EDG, DRG, TE, WOL, FPX, TYLOO
actual ranking: BLG, EDG, XLG, DRG, WOL, TE, FPX, TYLOO
mean (0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0, 0) = 0.5

average difference for 2024: 1.19
average difference for 2025: 0.85
average difference for both years: 0.98 (predicted positions 0.98 difference from actual positions)
personally, only 0.98 off is pretty accurate to me
let’s say you have 4 numbers 5678, if the second set is 6785 then the mean difference would be mean (3, 1, 1, 1) = 1.5 which shows how one team placing weirdly upsets the whole order
so i take it

i hit the word limit give me a bit for part 2 the question hasnt been answered yet

out of the remaining teams at champs:
prx: wins it all
fnc: places 2nd
nrg: 5th-6th
th: 3rd
gx: 4th
xlg: 1-2
blg: 0-2
mibr: 7th-8th
rrq: 1-2
drx: 7th-8th
tl: 1-2
g2: 5th-6th
t1: 1-2
drg: 0-2
completely unbiased opinion

i feel like prx will play it some day, maybe if somehow solo smokes becomes viable on bind
i played a silver match td with raze, yoru, neon, skye and me omen today on bind and went 7-5 on defense, 6-4 on attack so i think it would be possible if you just 5man rush every round lmao, esp with the lack of senti util nowadays on bind

iinw hvoya said in the postmatch that he was inspired by some emea?? iinw t2 team that was running this comp and won like 18 games in a row + was somehow attack sided despite running triple senti, decided to try it out, so it’s not actually xlg’s comp but rather popularised by them

another cool thing is that hvoya used to be teammates with cloud and derke, he gets to meet cloud when xlg play gx for the decider

elite ball knowledge

peak

https://www.reddit.com/r/VALORANT/comments/1cg3ftp/what_are_your_favorite_demon1_aliases_after/?tl=zh-hans
saw this trying to find chinese names for demon1 and it was beautiful

what do the chinese casters call him

2023 恶魔1 activates and drops 60 over 3 maps

dfm?? the last time i heard someone talk about them was 13-1 prx i forgot they existed

was nothing after watching prx almost choke tl at toronto
dental salt >>>>

grass is green

gx is the most solid choice, you can bandwagon their cinderella run
xlg most likely loses to gx and even if they beat gx i wouldn’t bet on them getting anywhere higher than 7th-8th
if you have a crush on delighted go for ts
don’t go for c9 unless you want eternal sadness

i could make a full team
yoru: something
ini: riens
sentinel: westside
flex: chronicle
smokes/igl: boaster

boaster can go 1/26 and they’d still win 26-0

something doesn’t need a win con
and don’t yall dare say he’s a scope/shotgun merchant he aims crazy

4/5 emea

it’s probably 340 with all the merch prx gave him

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES

roster

its 2.22am for me
if i come back and i see xlg 2-1 ohohohohoho

fns going "theyre outaiming sen the entire first half"

the latter

XLG has more points, so if they place the same DRG goes to ascension

jemkin

leaf

default clears cyrax unironically

should probably be at the cdg airport souvenir store too, you should check there