I agree that Onur is a top 2-3 coach in Americas League, but what makes you think that he is more impressive than Chet?
Feel like what Chet has done is more impressive? Through all the Meta changes through out last year he was able to make his roster a top 2 team all year.
I agree that Onur is top 3, probably 2 rn, but I don't think you can put him above chet... RN, later I think so.

oh yeah forgot about that, Chet was one of the first coaches that wanted to try him out but couldn't get any good practice cause challenger teams would prac against gekko since it wasnt in play.

Chet Cringe Comps are coming back woohoo!!
Also nice to see how even with the win, they know they aren't playing to their complete best. So excited for this team the rest of the sesaon!.

how do you know NRG is looking scary? Just from LOCK/IN? I agree 1000% they beat 100T, but we dont know how NRG will look, hopefully they look insane with these past month of practice and Chet just not sleeping lmao, Chet going to have the cringest comps and look like he hasnt sleeped in 5 years lmao.

Just a question, is there proof of the "no one scrimmed more than them except for Optic"? Like is there a stream or a clip or anything that said that? I would like to see cause I dont know if I 100% believe, ik they were scrimmingg alot I dont think they were scrimming more than ALL the other t1 teams except optic. If you have it lmk. Thanks

I was saying this in sliggy's stream when it was all going down. There was a report on Universo Valorant, a spanish stream with the reporter with Alejandro Gomis(@anonimotum), apparently he is/was(not too sure) a well known league reporter who only reports on stuf that were only 100% true a leak or true, and he joined the call and in spanish basically said that, "hay dos players con los cuales hasta donde yo se, no han estado contentos con el rendimiento. uno ha sido yay y el otro vanity" you can google translate if u want but basically he said, Yay and Vanity have not been with the performance of the team, which already suggested there was internal disagreements. then later on, one of the other people on the show , said that He's known mCe for about 7-8 and talking about how knowing him, he thought that whenever mCe can, "valyn in, vanity out". he used more vulgar words but I'm not to say them here. It was all in spanish, I can show a clip of the first thing he said that I talked about, but I think they deleted the rest of the vod or it just disappeared. But yeh, knowing spanish has an advantage ehehhehe. But on a real note, from this, I kinda already thought that this was the most likely case, Cause vanity salary def couldnt have been THAT high, and after geddess confirming that all the players wanted him to stay, can only leave 1 option.
Also according to that same geddess clip, it seems mCe wanted Yay to stay and the rest, I thought it was a mCe and the team wanted yay to leave but Ig it was all just a money problem and a problem with vanity. Here's the clip for anyone who wants to translate or any spanish speakers.

( https://clips.twitch.tv/SincereKitschyJamPicoMause-Ht5s97K-1_otZueI)

Who thinks c9 is that good? I'm a c9 fan and im constantly seeing people shit on them with post like these. No one is saying C9 is some god team, only the extreme c9 fans, idk where ur getting this from but most people are saying what ur saying, so at this point I wouldnt say their hyped cause most people are saying they wont do good based on last year results which could be true but we dont know. I can only hope though .

very true

You guys have really good takes and it fills me with joy 2 people having a logically discussion without calling the other shit, I was going to chime in cause you said something really really interesting which is the same exact take as me. 2 days ago i made a post on reddit(you mightve seen) basically saying everyone thinks C9 won't be all that good, many people have come to that consensus other than C9 fans ofc. The reason my stonks for C9 are so high,. well you just said it, the main reason is that mCe was able to take a new team like guard all the way from the bottom to who many people would agree, a top 2 team in challengers. and bring them to a LAN. so if mCe was able to do that with Guard, I argue that he can do with the C9 which I say aswell is an objectively better roster than the guard, thats really my main thing, like yeh they got yay and zellsis and they ofc are elite imo, but the main thing for me was in my mind . "mCe took a weaker/newer roster than c9, GUARD , and brought them from a bottom team, to a LAN(almost beat Optic, best team of 2022) and made them one of the best teams in challengers(many people as myself and if you watch sliggy he said it as well, believe are actually better than some of these franchise teams) So if he is able to do that with a weaker team, I can only dream what he will be to do with a better roster(imo, up for debate ofc) like c9."

can you send a link to interview time stamps? I wanna see that with my own eyes.

ye I already commented about this in (https://www.vlr.gg/122690/hard-truth/#19) post.
But ye if Optic and all other teams boot camp in Europe, champions will be the hardest/most competitive tournament eve imo.
I'm an Optic fan so hopefully they can bootcamp in EU cause they have the mindset/work ethic to be the best, now they just needed to be challenged more in prac/scrims. Hopefully all the other teams can too to make champions a really competitive tournament :) :D

wait are you being serious? Please tell me your being serious? THAT WOULD BE INSANE, if LOUD bootcamps in EU for a month, i can only wonder what their ceiling will be and how fucking good they will be, they have the individual skill already. oooh hopefully you're not joking about this LMAO

Same to you, FPX looking really good contenders going into champs no doubt in my mind they will be top 3 again imo.

Thanks for the reply bro, ye just watching, they dominated domestically except for grand finals cause of covid, but before they had just beat Xset 3-1 to qualify and then in Copenhagen they beat them pretty handidly. So if all the scrims in NA pushed them to the level their at now and they still didn't look the best if im being honest. I really think they are thinking about it, at least I HOPE, because i think we can all agree if they go to EU with that mindset of just improving and grinding like they have in NA, I think they will be a good contender for champions, I have no question about Optic's work ethic, everyone knows they want to win badly, but they might just need to challenged more, which from the results of this masters, means going to EU and face tougher teams

Sorry to all NA Fans, im NA aswell but im optic fan. Hopefully NA as a region we can improve as a whole and put a good fight against EMEA next masters, again thanks for reading my post guys and enjoy the rest of ur day :D :)

I usually dont voice my opinions here cause people are quick to judge and just bait and troll. but after the FPX vs Optic game i was thinking about, maybe Optic could think about boot camping in eu, not saying that NA scrims are bad they are good, but i think scrims in EU would be harder but that also means they would really be tested and could improve, im only talking about Optic because idk how often paper rex or DRX scrim but ik that Optic are really hard workers, everyone knows they scrim like 6 even 7 days a week 6+ hours not saying that other teams dont, but point is they put the work in, now if they go to EU, who knows they might learn more, but all just speculation, at the end of day I'll know they will bounce back because losing is learning, and to learn from your mistake is recognize that you have made a mistake which I think optic have.

Can you guys tell me what you think of Optic bootcamping in EU for scrims, and paper rex and DRX, what do you guys think ?
Have a beautiful lovely day :)

PS- I'm an Optic fan i just dont have a flare cause I rarely use VLR, thats why i always rant about them, sorry.

I usually don't comment on this stuff but idk if this is just a bait or whatever, Idk how you can that they only rely on winning 50/50 aimduels. All I want you to do is just go back into Sliggy's(former coach for liquid) vods on his twitch and listen/watch him break down how Optic won against EG like 2 days ago. He goes in-depth and explains the little micro and macro of what Optic did, or you can go back and watch any game over Optic that sliggy reviewed. Then comeback and maybe you're answer will change. I'm not calling you stupid or anything cause I'm a respectful guy and I usually dont comment but I just don't believe that you are being serious and if you are hopefully those sliggy reviews could change your mind. Have a good day bro <3

FYI im an NA fan,
Optic are looking pretty good right now but you can't you dont see them losing to them ANYONE. I think a really good match would be FNC vs Optic would be a godlike match, they are both looking so good, as well as FPX vs Optic, and DRX vs Optic. I think if we see those matches than the games will be bangers of serious but tbh outside of those teams and Loud from brazil. I hypothetically COULD agree with this take. But there are just so many other good teams right now in the world.

Tbh, I dont think he has been declining at all, if anything other players on Optic are just playing really well rn so hes not the only one getting kills. Optic is a very well rounded team So it makes sense other players are shining more. But imo to answer your question NO, hes not downgrading i just personally think everyone on Optic is playing really well right now which results in the stats being evenly distributed among the players and YAY is still YAY :)

i agree with everything you said except for Wardell best awper? Have you seen Shahzam with the awp? every map he plays Jett on he's so impactful on the awp. Especially Icebox, the guy consistently drops 22+ kills on icebox majority being the awp? Wardell is an INSANEEEEEEEEEE AWPER as well but you just can't forget about Shahz, idk if maybe you didn't know shahz awping was good or he forgot but i just wanted to say that. But everything else i 100% agree with in ur list. It is S-Tier if i may say so myself.