true but that is hindsight bias, at the time c9 were doing good and there was no reason to drop rossy in such good form. also just because nrg didnt do good in season doesnt mean c9 would have done bad, correlation does not = causation

correct me if im wrong but only 2 teams have won international trophies more than once (sen and fnatic). does that make all the other team's trophies flukes?

silly me let me re-edit post

so u think luck won them 13 rounds? 13-11 or 13-8 a win, and its only luck if it happens once. if it happens enough to win a trophy that isnt luck, at the end of the day they won more rounds, and were the better team

no

sen failed to qualify to masters shanghai after winning madrid
fnatic hasnt done shit since they won masters tokyo
loud hasnt fell off after champs win
geng bombed out in champs and struggled regionally after winning shanghai
eg disbanded after champs

i think this is a trend

c0m is such a lovable player

EDG 2-1 TL, SEN 2-1 DRX

I still can't wrap my head around why C9 kicked Rossy.. he single handedly lead them to victories against FNATIC, TH, and a 2-0 against G2 (legit MVPed all of them). That C9 could have made it to Bangkok, but they chose to be shitty again?? Even if Rossy didn't "mesh" with the team, they sure as hell were winning, and now they look like a mess just like every other year.

actually just running it down like ranked and its working

with the discussion of bonkar and verno leaving…

keep verno
move fns to coach, rossy comes in

he goes to my school, he’s not old enough to go pro

in that case he is def the best on the team

how is leaf too high

not fragging wise but he is a top igl

dgzin > asuna, 100t always lose to sen, kru always qualifies for no reason (100t also cursed against kru), and then 100t beats eg and 2g. and in the occasion 100t beats any of the other teams there will be no owning, it will be a 2-1 series

i feel like why gold players being better than plat is such a big image and feels that way is that a large portion of smurfs are in silver-gold elo, and naturally the players in that elo have to match their aim to those smurfs. in plat there’s not many smurfs, and everyone is on equal level. all in all plat players are better but smurfing in gold could feel harder than plat

so you just feel edg will fall off? and you don’t expect sen to be even more in form on the international stage? i feel like this was the same for last year champs, where sen and edg both performed better internationally than regionally.

i say that because they won champs and were the only region to win 3-1 rather than 3-2

I said i STILL see them beating most of the teams, meaning i still thought they were 2nd amid being vulnerable

that one deflection goal vs Liverpool from a few years back was just like Asuna’s lucky shot vs Sentinels

s1mon 1v2 goat

we will see at bangkok. don’t know how the regions will fair against each other but i have sen in top 4 and worst team on trace.

mada = zekken
ethan = zellsis current form
s0m > bang
verno = n4rrate
fns <<< johnqt

fns aim is why nrg cant qualify they r basically 4v5

I don't know where VIT would go but I think they will bounce back and are still a better team than Team Liquid.

maybe they will own 2G? eg is debatable

they should not be 3-0ing these teams, let alone making it this far, is keiko on one or what

I still see EDG beating most of these teams

G2
EDG
TL
SEN
DRX
VIT
T1
TE

finally someone rates edg fairly but trace over sen and tl is crazy

sen almost beat g2, went 49-52 in rounds and 2-3 in maps, and you're telling me there's 3 tiers (2 "BIG GAPPs" and 1 "GAPP") between g2 and sen? and how is vit gapping edg, the winners of champs who also won kick-off, while vit is currently getting shit on.

sen that low after going 49-52 against g2 and edg that low after winning champs last year and kick-off this year

thats respectful, loud do look more like a complete team than the rookies on mibr, and kru is debatable. but for the fact that kru did go farther and came back from the initial loss, that gives them the slight edge over loud. i understand your point on dgzin, but even then, zekken's 1v4 ace vs loud alone had more impact than any of dgzin's plays. sen might not have qualified had zekken not stepped up. now thinking about it, i agree that g2 really dominated the tournament disregarding the final match, but i feel like looking how sen did before the mibr game underplays the "evolution" they went under. the sen team you are talking about is not the same we saw in their past matches. i do agree now that g2's roster should just be in the top 10, but still think zekken or johnqt should at least be in the top 5.

good game, sen sold a lot of rounds and need to work on pistols. on the other hand g2 is looking dangerous and just need to continue practicing.

I honestly think 100T should be higher than LEV, they had to play MIBR, SEN, and NRG, and did good in all those games, while LEV only beat FURIA and lost to MIBR, a team that 100T 2-0ed.

1. if not both kru and mibr at least mibr over loud. loud played good but just look how the games went, kru had a rough first game but came back beating loud and making it to lower round 3. mibr should not even be debated vs. loud, they finished 3rd in the tournament going on a 4 win streak in the lower bracket. ultimately kru and definitely mibr had better runs than loud this event, and we are basing it off of kick-off performance. i would put mibr 3rd.
2. dgzin is not above zekken, zekken went all the way. if you want to talk about impact zekken's impact led them to bangkok while loud didnt even make it to lower round 3. you can't say dgzin had more impact simply because the percentage of contribution to his team was higher, because the efforts of loud only got them a 5th-6th place finish, compared to sen's 2nd place finish. i would put dgzin 3rd.
3. for overall players, g2 players are rated too highly. why is basically the whole g2 roster above sen roster, and why are the only 2 sen players you have on there ranked in the bottom half? based on your rankings, you make it as if no team was even close to g2, when sen was on the same level, almost winning the event (3-2 on maps, 52-49 on rounds). i would move valyn back slightly and move zekken or johnqt up.

this is just my opinion obviously, but it seems there is some bias on loud, and it also seems as if some teams (mibr, sen, and kru) have been overlooked

how do sen and g2 fair against the rest of the regions?

T1 looks dangerous wdym

ong this is crazy

playoffs vs off-season

wish i was sync

Son overrated is crazy lol mans been top g/a for spurs for many years now but ig that doesnt say much bc everyone on spurs shit

OXY on C9 is like son on Spurs

i personally use the MANGO MANGO MANGO strat

https://www.vlr.gg/312779/gen-g-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2024-masters-madrid-gf

FNS is the goat
zekken is still the highest rated player in the event
mada and verno are s tier signings
americas looking good
FNS can aim
FNS is the best caller

FNS was aiming today hopefully he doesnt drop in the next map

ong rob only yaps

what does this mean for c9

making rivalries with ghosts, no one said otherwise stop baiting

my goats drangon ranger

what makes DRG such an attractive team lol, I legit just saw them one day in the latest matches section (before franchising) and immediately started liking them