patitek is definitely not as good as the other two, but he was a major factor to their run in EMEA.
And maybe I'm not understanding you correctly but are you suggesting that M8s have a chance at qualifying for champs w the current roster, or with the one you proposed?

that's why they got scammed in 23, but they got kinda lucky to be this successful in 2024 imo (they managed it well tho, but still)

Are we acting like TL don't have Nats, keiko and Patitek ?

they are definitely not getting a tilter

yeah that's why I specified "in the next few years" , but I still think KC is managed by much more knowledgeable persons

tier 5 farmers unfortunately. I have no hope for france (maybe I'm delusional but Turkey is too powerful)

win the next season of ascension maybe (if Pacific doesn't fumble like m80) but I don't think the org is managed by competent enough peoples for it to have much hope in the next few years. There also is a big lack of money for them to be competitive in valorant

that's likely but they still won't perform I'm afraid

show me 5 french players who will make the team decent then (also gotta fire goked and find a better coach)

engh is definitely a great coach, funny coincidence

I don't think the IGLing will necessarily be their problem even thouh minny's performance will definitely get worse, but RobbieBK was bringing so much vibes , which is something that Kamyk definitely doesn't do. Vibes are a very important thing for a young team likely to have confidence issues during tough games. Kamyk isn't a big upgrade in terms of firepower or agent mastery either and they will probably lack pratice at the beggining of the split as well. Future is very uncertain for this org, and even if they make it to playoffs I highly doubt that they won't get relegated

2023 KC tried and they know better than anyone that the 1 taps aren't enough

no I have to admit that I'm not very up to date when it comes to CS, but I know that last year was absolutely awful for them

definitely not worse

Mini seems to think that he probably had some in game beefs with Sayf

their definitely hot ass, especially nowadays but still

you can't be the worst org ever when you have been the most dominant CS team in history tho, they didn't waste their talents. They became horribly ass later though

no but it was even before that. Tenz was like the best player in NA CS T2 as an awper, C9 promoted him to T1 but made him their lurker. Man became horribly bad all of a sudden 💀

not only that but if you also add the fact that they wasted the best upcoming CS talent in NA at the time (Tenz), it really becomes disgusting

I'm not only talking about valorant tho

They have/had some of the greatest talents ever and still managed to waste them in an insane fashion. No american org has ever done as bad as them

TenTen

Who's better than mada in T2 at the moment? Canezerra maybe, no one else. Also how are fns and eeiu not valuable?

his agent pool doesn't replace Trexx's, will kicks move to scan init?

ewwww??? JonahPork???

Mada, FNS, JonahP, Eeiu to name a few

Y'all definitely don't want to lose your best players

if they put kk on chamber i'll be happy, but that's a very dirty move still

I don't understand why they'd make any change to their roster it genuinely makes no sense imo

S1mon ain't the Lakia of Valorant but he definitely is the S1mon of EDG, you gotta respect him bro

yup no bias no bias

hopefully riot's script is a little bit more surprising than that

Chinese tech industry at work

you've been goonewashed I'm afraid

double post shit

do you understand the concept of a step brother Frogger0_0 ?

definitely not

muggle is goated

S1mon is not the problem (no one is actually)

Less fans implies less viewership which implies less interest from sponsors, etc... Yeah fans and public image are central factors in any sport

mini knows very big things

no I'm pretty sure I heard rumors about Leo specifically but it might only have been jokes (even tho the Sayonara thing is very true as well, I'm pretty sure Fnatic would have never let Sayonara go if they weren't sure that the future of the roster is safe)

pipi versus caca

I'd imagine that the rumors concerning Leo getting bought by Vitality imply that he would be back sooner than we thought no?

surely he'll be back as soon as possible

imo they "just" need someone who deeply understands the game to cook good comps, make good midround calls and who mentally supports the team during tough matches

can't he play Yoru at all?

They need an IGL fr fr

He has just so much visual aura, you can't ignore him, he is more than just handsome

idk you seem to be acting as if they were not one of the best team in the world already