i forgot this is how competetive valorant works, thank you

i can almost 100% gaurantee you they left the scene because they were paying ridiculous amounts of money due to horrible business decisions rather than not winning in cs.

yeah currently they got no bread bro, so they cant afford their world class roster, which i already said. Im saying before they won champs they hard committed to valorant and it paid off. Now they drop their entire roster and pick up league minimum contract players to stay alive for the next year. they arent sustaining themselves in franchising.

hes the truth

yeah im sure they put everything into their valorant team because it was their best performing team, i dont think that is a point for franchising. and as i said before, theyre clearly in the shitter money wise.

i obviously wouldn't know which format is better for orgs making money but seeing as EG just won champions and still had to pay cut their world champion roster (which has since left), i'd say they arent doing to hot in franchising. That's just one example. I believe sen also said something about their income being horrid. Either way valorant clearly is not profitable for these orgs at the moment. Theres arguments for both sides, no point to keep going. Only way to definitively know is if we were the orgs themselves.

i dont think that's true. teams were competing for 2 full years before franchising was even mentioned. I highly doubt riot had the intention to do franchising before late 2021/early 2022. Even so, some orgs like faze stayed up until the end of this past vcl season, so not all teams that exited valorant left just as franchising came around. idk if you have a source for that but im not saying its not true, im just doubting it. and as far as stability goes, it wasn't a problem before, so why would it be now? orgs main source of income is merch sales and content creation, if they win anything thats a big bonus. if anything more players in the open circuit means more people to pick up for the org which would lead to more money. there are a lot more points that could be made but i just cant be asked rn.

c9 is praying for 100t

they have to drop ridiculous money on contracts and being part of franchising in the first place, it's cheaper in open circuit for pretty similar likelyhood of winning it all. + there would be more orgs in open circuit seeing as all of tier 1 would actually be tier 1, rather than split between vct and vcl. My evidence for that last part is all of the orgs that left valorant due to not making franchising (LG, ghost, etc) and that number is rising.

@riot pay back all of the orgs you disgracefully scammed and bring back open circuit you FOOLS

wednesday

french people #vivalarevolution

real it shouldve went with haven and replaced with fracture

#vivalavida frence made pizz a pie not italy

sorry, king cboomer, it wont happen again.

i dont remember that guy being part of the famous Curry lineage.

steph, dell, or seth?

more than just those 3 challengers teams too

🙏

It only makes sense. MxS and OXG are the 2 best teams in challengers (atm) and c9 and 100t are two mid vct teams. Chill out guys, its riot's fault for these tier 1 teams being classified as tier 2 "challengers"

3rd best

unfortunately Mid Phase will be winning ascension

hiko exists

tenz vastly clear of fraudsuna

very disrespectful to tenz

-asuna cryo +jawg babybay

babybay still a free agent... @100Thieves

prodophiles rise!

last year txl was a bo1 upper final so i dont think this is a bug. dawgshit format
nice they changed it

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3. zombs
4. nats
5. jamppi

he lowkey does

agree to disagree

i would say 70-80% is a fair estimate. obviously they likely wouldn't beat the higher end vct teams but the teams i mentioned for sure.

just because t1 doesnt mean better im afraid, riot bricked the system. 80% of na challengers beat mibr/furia/kru/eg/100t/c9 etc.

not real + fake

i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy bro

just tell them that they will outlive their children

yeah very silly mr ludwig

MxS 2-0 c9
13-9
13-6

https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/f544e07c

iq nzr? tripppppppinnggggggg

boobio 😂

I think he got shot dead in atlanta

nuh uh

because they are an upstanding org that has never done anything wrong!

only hope is eg otherwise the boys go again in ascension

babybay and jawg would be the best teammates i stg

disrespectful to put them on the list, they transcend valorant

now they just need babybay and poised for the chemistry and firepower