You're telling me there's still a chance of SEN Sliggy?

Optic has never lost to C9 with Vanity as their IGL, but they did lose to XSET

Isn't he going to TL?

I might be lost, because i only started watching mid 2021, but Marved on FaZe was already a good controller or he grow as a player with envy/Optic?

I'll give s0m the benefit of a doubt, hope he does well

Even yay on his first matches with Chamber, didn't have as much impact as right now because he was still getting used to the agent, just like TenZ at LCQ, but Syyko and Kaplan knows how to set a Chamber to success, i trust them

I agree that C9 has a higher floor than SEN because they already havee a set core with Leaf, Xeppaa and Vanity, they are adding a couple players with yay and Zellsis, and Sen is a whole new roster, just keeping TenZ, but adding 4 new players and a new coaching staff, i think it will take them time to fully develope but hope they are ready for Kickoff

Im excited to see both teams

Its more like TenZ is entry Jett and yay is OP jett

horse?

Why not DRX and there's two teams from each league?

Saadhak is staying with LOUD

to talk about consistency i would like to wait to see her on more tournaments

I hope it will be sooner than later, especially now that is the same league

the difference is that Zekken started as flex, and then with Chamber on meta he went to main duelist, he can still perform really well on flex

i could see them put him on jett on Breeze and Ascent, both XSET and LOUD, played single duelist on those maps, zekken playing KAY/O on Breeze and Sova on Ascent, i could see them playing the latest DRX comp on Ascent

Why would SEN be considered downgraded LOUD if the majority of LOUD stayed with the org?

he can op but he isn't known for that, also i think it would disrupt less if they add an op player last minute, than a entry duelist who has to practice their entries with the team's utility usage

SicK would most likely be a 6th but is not an op player, in case TenZ can't play, Tarik could come in for a game, he could stay on as a cc but has also expressed interest in competing if needed, he would only play op agents.

i could see him as a 6th as well, in case of TenZ having an emergency, because they don't have another op player, i could also see SicK as a sub for the rest of the team.

which FPX vs. DRX rematch?

They have different playstyles, definetly this was yay's year, hope to see them face each other again next year, not sure how they will function on their new teams

didn't TenZ jett diffed yay on Berlin???
https://www.vlr.gg/34974/envy-vs-sentinels-valorant-champions-tour-stage-3-masters-berlin-qf/?game=50262&tab=overview

Why mentioning MikesHD and not Kaplan?

you can break the shield

but then again most of the team success was mCe in my opinion, with his experience, coaching a young team

Does The Guard have a real chance without mCe and Sayaplayer?

didn't they lose their coach to C9 or it's still only a rumor?

I agree with yay being mostly the reason why they were so good, but part of it was FNS and Chet, because they are most likely the best at setting up Chamber in general, i don't think they'll be bad with Ardiis, but definetly not as good, and the same goes with yay, different team, new chemistry to build for both teams

His raze isn't the best, it's easier to learn agents when a coachjing staff help you develop the mechanics, but Zekken will most likely play raze

he is unrestricted F/A

mb forgot about Yashwatthama "yay" Yadav

who is C9 import?

I agree the new roster is a more recently proven team

W if true

i think most of us wanted to see the get a chance with a proper coaching staff

saadhak wasn't going to LEV?

when they were announced to be on franchising, dapr wasn't told to look for opportunities or were even in talks to leave the team

I understand perfectly, but the main issue i have is that, they didn't mentioned this to dapr, he was sure he was staying, there were no talks about him leaving because his contract wasn't ending, and 30 min before the leaks he was told he could be 6th or search for other opportunities, that just wrong.

W fan

I'm not even trying to argue, it's clear you have a fixed opinion on ShahZam, but dapr?

I feel sorry for this, but hopefully with franchising we see new brazilians superteams, now all 3 regions became Americas, so at least we didn't lose them to EMEA

insane team but at what cost?

it worked for OPTIC so we'll see

I think if chamber fell out of meta, TenZ goes duelist, Zekken flex and dephh goes sentinel, Sacy stays on main initiator and Pancada smokes

isn't he dating a cc?

https://twitter.com/GeorgeCGed/status/1578557941145210882

DRX???

i guess its plant and defuse

He called Dicey a 1 trick and Babybay inconsistent, the diference is yay is so much more consistent than Dicey

I would like to see him stay on SEN, see what Sykko and Kaplan can do

I think it depends also with the practicing, and the insight the coaching staff provides, OPTIC players have said that Chet always helped them with suggestions, positioning, etc.

XSET in their first LAN performed as bad as The Guard, even with having 3/5 players with LAN experience, I know that over all XSET performed better in regional tournaments, but even if they didn't get a single kill or a single round at Copenhagen, they would have still played at Champs