That's the thing tho, genetics can carry you in sports and when only you out of MILLIONS have that specific gene or phenotype that makes you a better player, no hard work will allow someone to be better than you. Thats why you dont see like 20 michael phelps or 30 usain bolts, but you could definitely argue against someone like s1mple/zywoo/niko being the goats in cs because its easier to get to that point

its definitely easier to be a goat in an esport than it is to be a goat in a sport

ok realistically though sym was never top 3 on either the mxm or tsm teams. Tbh he was probably the worst player on that mxm team all things considered, so I'm not sure if his success is due to his teams or because he individually deserves t1

OKEANOS!!!!!!!!

You can agree that there are more vocal midrounders that are not igls though no? NRG had “secondary callers” with crashies and Victor but clearly that didn’t work. You can even see now that even FNS, a player that is the example for the sentinel IGL, prefers a more initiator oriented character pool

please bro if EG signs someone like okeanos or Corey they will actually be able to function 🙏🙏

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imo the vyse flash isn't very practical at all on defense and she isn't strong enough in those postplant situations like deadlock is. I don't think she'll be good unless they can make the flash quicker to use in some way

for any other team I would agree with you but we're talking about the same SEN that went from offseason -> madrid

yeah and typically on a sentinel theres never really a time when you can call a setup with utility for your team, on an init or controller if you want something to happen there isn't a delay from calling it all out to your initiator and then to your duelist as well. Just an easier flow unless you have someone like sacy/zellsis taking part in the midrounding as well

where did u get top 20

I mean tbf the main vct broadcast has a shit ton of advertising too, people just don't notice it as much because its not an overweight bald guy showing you a plushy's ass for 15 minutes

its cuz theyre swapping pcs so he has to fill up the space

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GE have already ruined their 3rd roster in franchising

so why should china get its own regional league and guaranteed spots in the league when they never won a series prior to masters tokyo? Why should india get a whole team (that they dont use) when they have never made an international? Why should spain and france get 5 teams in total when realistically all the good emea teams are turkish and russian? Because they want the scene to be represented and to grow, there is no difference between GE getting a free slot in franchising than a GC team getting a slot in a T2 league that YOU probably dont even watch.

the first time china was invited to a LAN they lost 1-4 (EDG btw, eventual champs winners 2 years later) and the second tournament they lost to KC and 100T. Not GOOD KC and 100T, shitter KC and 100T. Keep in mind, everyone wanted these teams OUT of every tournament and now they're contending with the rest of the league. GC isn't even trying to get invited to franchising, its just fucking t2 dude, why is there a problem. Everyone wants them to get good but when they're given options and opportunities everyone throws a fit for no reason.

why is it different when china gets guaranteed slots to LANS in 2022/2023/2024 and a whole league but GC gets one team in some of the challengers circuits and suddenly we dont like propping up weaker teams and giving them experience

yea but still less proven than nozwer for now. im sure he'll be good though

The issue with boaster isn't that he can't win 1v1s

forgot icl remove faze for G2

Raafa is the biggest question for that roster for me. Khalil Mw and Heat will be good, but I think I would have rathered nozwer since he’s more proven in T1

SEN
100T
NRG
Optic
TSM
FlyQuest
Shopify
FaZe
Dark Zero
M80

LEV
KRU
9Z
RETA
All Knights
FURIA
LOUD
MiBR
Red Canids
Keyd Stars

if you say demon1 is better because of his flexibility, jawgemo has played omen astra and harbor for that same EG team and to be honest I doubt he would be unable to play brimstone
For tenz, it does apply more

imo
Marved
Valyn
S0m
Bang
demon1

yea I usually say top 2 is marved and s0m but people say demon1 (although I would argue that purely as a smokes player he is not nearly as good)

naw because forsaken would probably be playing harbor

I mean marved is probably still top 5 NA smokes of all time
(not in order)
tenz marved demon1 s0m jawgemo valyn are like the only people that can contend for top 5 and tbh I think hes guaranteed top 3 anyway

I want them to just start releasing broken characters back to back

not considering intangibles, I would have loved to see zest on that GENG team

im messing with u

Lev is NA 💯

even if it wasn't a bit by the main guy dort would reply the exact same way

bit

strange, EMEA has the most EMEA players in the league but they couldn’t win any trophies

worst comes to worst, nataNk can also play raze and Phoenix is getting better esp with Pearl coming back

babyJ (not inspire)

Oke is great tho

so many titles on the bench

guys oxy is a better duelist than aspas (dominance and trophy doesn't matter!)

I think if there is ever a situation in which subregions are just superior to others within a region (turkey EMEA, Korea PAC, NA for AMER), they should increase the region sizes tbh

Fair enough, I agree with you on that. The main issue I had with your post was explaining that they were worse because they were "4 FAs" when realistically that means nothing to the players skill especially since they were contracted this year.
Glad we could come to an understanding, have a good day.

Derrek's stats were inflated in stage 2 off playing Mibr and Furia, in stage 1 in which he had a similar set of games to TL he was significantly worse, however I will agree that he is definitely better than a lot of emea players (as one of the only actual dedicated initiators as well)

Zellsis' most recent rating was .98 and has never reached tomaszy's peak rating the entire year

I don't think rating is a good metric to judge players because it's entirely dependent on whether or not you as a player have less deaths. That's why players like grubhino will have an incredible rating but realistically have barely any impact on the server.

Neverless, mistic is definitely the worst player in the tourney that is not an IGL, however I fail to see how it is "unfair" to EMEA. There aren't going to be perfect groups, but Rolly Winners is incredibly stacked as a team considering they have 3 heretics players, ardiis and tomaszy.

also scream was top 4 in rating at LCQ and had a .99 rating on the worst team in the league during the regular split before he left lmao

yes scream and tomaszy are good players are you insane? KC as a whole were looking shit, marteen barely had a rating over 1, besides he had a 1.10 rating in stage 1(top 7), while having very high impact in all of their games besides FUT. Scream isnt pro anymore but it's laughable you think he couldn't as though he hadn't been a consistent player for years up until his break. If we're talking "bad statistics players", then where are derrek, c0m, zellsis, marved, and boostio? Or are we going to view players only by their entire seasons when it is EMEA but not NA. Be real

yea but lets not pretend zellsis c0m and derrek are known for being amazing players either lmfao

I agree that the NA teams are way more stacked but the part I disagree on is that it's because "LxT got 4 FA's", thats BS. The players that showed up were worse and it's not because those players aren't above average in their league because they most certainly are.

Hiro and Patitek both played more matches than Marved and placed in internationals, lets not pretend they had the same seasons.

8 of the EU players were playing in T1 this year, 1 is scream, the other won ascension

8 of the NA players played a full season of T1 last year, marved played half, reduxx played t2

calling players like ardiis and tomaszy worse because theyre FA is laughable

Idc as long as okeanos is signed

Vo0kashu has a penthouse in Beijing

realistically I would just make something a more flexible player and make jingg learn something like yoru so on maps like abyss they can still reasonably run a double duelist comp (similar to geng) while also not having to run jett on every raze map