Here the part 2
"You can't define "favored" as outcome-independent, because you cannot verify whether that team was actually favored or not and objectively measure the performance of the criterion. This is where you are going wrong. You are just asserting your criterion is "factual" without providing any empirical evidence."
What? Of course you can? If you have Sentinels vs Soniqs, Sentinels are the clear favourite, but its POSSIBLE that soniqs could win. Its not IMPOSSIBLE, its just HIGHLY unlikely. And again, as I have stated, its determined from match results that sentinels are the favourites. The criterion is factual, and I've explained how. There is no 'empirical evidence' involved here though either? You clearly do not understand what you are talking about. When people talk about things, they use logic, logic IS the root of facts, it IS what determines what is factual or not. I've logically and factually proven you wrong.
"The entire objective of saying whether a team is favored or not is to predict whether that team will be more likely to win or not. That is literally what you imply in your posts as well, you say it's an upset, that gen.g won, when you thought andbox were clearly favored prior to the game starting. So you had outcomes in your mind, an upset and an expected win. Just like sports betting websites have odds for how likely the bettors think each team is to win. These things can be measured and compared with success-rates."
Exactly, which team will be more likely to win. Andbox were OBJECTIVELY favoured to win, based on their results, they were factually the better team based on results before the match-up. Again, sports betting is not reliable as match results. Match results are ALWAYS factual and right for favoured matchups, sports betting is not always accurate.
"You said you cannot with certainty predict, which team can win at any given moment(which I agree with), but you said you can know which team is favored to win. This doesn't make sense, you cannot know either in this case, but you can make guesses to both based on your methods. If you knew, that a coin you are tossing is 1/3rd likely to hit tails and 2/3rd likely to hit heads, then knowing for certain the outcome of a single toss doesn't matter. You can make many tosses with that coin and measure which side it is more likely to land on and make a prediction with that data. In Valorant we don't know either, we can only make educated guesses as to which one it is through various methods which have a varying success rate, none of which are valid."
It does make sense, because any team can win at any given time. However, this does not change the objective fact that a certain team was FAVOURED to win, and MORE LIKELY to win. Your analogy makes no sense, if you knew that the coin is 2/3rd likely to hit heads then obviously heads would be FAVOURED and more LIKELY to be landed on. That is a fact, as that is the higher probability. Your analogy didn't prove your argument at all, and it's pretty sad, and funny, to think about the fact that you probably think it was clever; it wasn't. In valorant we definitely can factually know which team is more likely to win, based on previous results. I've used the same example multiple times, but you havent countered it because you know you cant, it is a logical factual example proving my argument right and directly proving you wrong. (Refer to sentinels vs soniqs)
"I suggest you come back to what you wrote here in five years and read it to yourself. It has no coherence. Sounds like something I would've written when I was 14 arguing on battle.net forums. So much of the words "factual, delusional, subjective, objective" without any coherence in their meaning. I can't respond to most of this, because it's just word salad and you're not actually understanding what I'm writing."
LMAO. So basically you're admitting to being an unintelligent, stubborn yet arrogant fool who cant admit he's wrong, even when factually proven wrong. Cool I guess. You can't respond to most of my argument because you know I'm right deep down, it's just pathetic to see your excuses and how hard you're coping with the fact you lost a debate. Idk why ur even making excuses, it's not that deep. You lost and got stomped in an internet debate. Just admit you took the L, lmao. I'm not making the predictions, because they have nothing to do with our argument.