Why?

Crashies was much better in LOCK IN and Americas and they had a similar performance in Tokyo

Albeit c0m was definitely better at champs

I give crashies the edge because he has done it for longer, more consistently, and through more iterations of rosters

Bro its not impossible to learn to igl

Especially for experienced players such as the NRG players

Bruv

Zellsis had much worse stats in Americas league compared to compared

Victor also attended all LANs and played insane

In what world is Zellsis better than Victor?

There are literally 0 results/stats that can prove zellsis is better than Victor

What is your logic

Victor #3 ranked player during regular season
#8 ranked for the whole league

Victor is so clear

After reading some of these posts Victor might be the most underrated player in the world

Also ethan > sacy is self explanatory. There shouldn’t even be a debate

You are lowkey right

Developing countries can’t focus as much on esports compared to developed countries

SEN fans are less annoying overall

But the worst SEN fans are more annoying than the worst BR fans

You are ending your “argument” because you have no argument

Im just using objective analysis to come to this conclusion

Instead of telling me why I am wrong you just say “delusional” because all of the reasoning supports my claim

🐐

Ngl offseason means next to nothing

Bro getting 4-0ed by Blg is infinitely better than not even qualifying for LAN

I can only imagine what would have happened to SEN if they played BLG

Marved ethan and demon1 are #1 Americas at their roles no questions asked

Crashies’s only competition is cauanzin and c0m and I would give him the edge because of his sheer consistency throughout the year

And there aren’t many good sentinels NA so I’ll admit Victor is second best behind less at Sentinel

It is not delusional at all to say NRG have the best players in Americas

Saying NRG is #1 Americas is justified

You could literally make a case for everyone on the team being #1 Americas at their role

What did I say exactly that was delusional?

Said nothing but facts

How?

Marved > TenZ (self explanatory)
Demon1 > Zekken (reigning world champions mvp best player itw)
Ethan > Zellsis (reigning world champion, best flash support init itw)
Crashies > sacy (was one of the best initiator players last year while sacy had a terrible year)
Victor > Johnqt (victor has had better performances against better teams. Johnqt still needs to prove himself at a tier 1 level)
Chet > Kaplan (self explanatory)

What did I say that was wrong

I use logic to back up my claims

Instead of calling me delusional say why I am wrong

And bro even you yourself said SEN is #8 americas so clearly you don’t think they are that good

Nah bro in what world is SEN better than NRG individually

NRG have 5 world champions 2 of which are reigning world champions

They also have 2 of the most consistent players in VALORANT who have made pretty much every single valorant LAN and performed

And they also have the best controller NA

SEN haven’t even qualified to a LAN in 2 years and now people are rating them above the goated players of NRG just because of an offseason tournament?

That is delusion

Tell me how SEN are better than NRG

Why is Aspas still in EU?

Tex is back in NA

The difference is that sacy and pancada had the fukl year to practice and make SEN a better team

Marved was force into the team mid season and had no time to cook

You really can’t compare the two

Marved was forced into the captain/igl role

He was never meant to start on the roster in the first place

He was done dirty by SEN

Zellsis is the main reason for SEN’s success

Before SEN had zellsis even wuth johnqt they weren’t that good

They literally lost to MxS

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C9 was different xeppa and zellsis were never the best at their roles in Na

Vanity was never a great igl

Leaf and yay were the only super team level players

If you're going to talk smack, I expect you to back it up.

Nothing wrong with that

He is right

SEN was just a bad team

He is right though

If SEN played like how they played vs PRX for the rest of the year, SEN are definitely top 3

Bro watch NRG vs BLG and tell me it was;t Ardiis's fault.

He talked so much and ultimately disappointed, whiffing shots left and right and making terrible decisions

It is just the truth

Bro do you even know what "saving face" means?

how so?

Rewatch NRG vs BLG and see

Most of the blame is on ardiis and FNS

yes

You need to analyze stats with context

Sure crashes may have been the lowest-rated player for NRG at champs but it was BECAUSE his teammates farmed more against the weak team (Zeta)

Looking at stats without context is just wrong.

And of course you resort to personal insults

You are cherry-picking so hard rn

SEN retained 3/5 players from their regular season roster yet you are saying it is unfair to analyze their regular season results. Yet, Furia only retained 2/5 players + a different coaching staff from their regular season and you are using their regular season to justify their ranking now?

Furia are a completely different team

SEN are not

It makes more sense to use SEN's regular season ranking than Furia's

Wasn;t crashies or victor's fault though

They were the two best performing players at champs

It was ardiis's fault for talking so much and not being able to back it up and FNS really messed up with his calling against BLG

very misleading statistic.

Crashies was second on the scoreboard against BLG both times

He just didn't farm against Zeta because he DIDN,T NEED TO

The truth is that ardiis was the main problem of NRG at champs

Chet is the GOAT coach

It is not "trust without logic" when you have the most experienced players with the most experienced coach on your team

Trust

NRG know what they are doing

not true and regardless of what you think about that roster, it is irrelevant because it is a completely different game right now

The fact that you need to bring up 2020 results to diminish carshies and Victor just proves how great they are

He said SEN's form is top 3.

And I don't think he is wrong tbh

If SEN can keep up their AVL form throughout the year I think they are a top 3 team for sure

FNS just stating facts

yea but it also doesn't mean he is NOT a good igl

Give my boi a chance to prove himself

If he is igl, I trust chet to groom him into a great igl

they carried a trash T1 team

And no way bro is bringing out the prehistoric 2020 VALORANT results when it is about to be 2024

2020 is irrelevant now

completely different game, completely different players

Nah bro watch the NRG comms videos

crashies actually does like half the mid-round calling

they will be fine

^ this

If the GOAT igl of VALORANT who has been playing with these players for so long believes they will be a great team with a great igl, then I believe too

at least wait for crashes and victor to play without FNS

We have already seen Sacy play without Saadhak and we know he is not the same

You have to give crashies/vic the benefit of the doubt

no bro we have real VCT results from our players to show for our hopium

NRG is literally a combination of the two greatest NA VALORANT teams ever

TWO reigning world cha,pions

TWO of the most consistent support players NA

and of course

the ICE MAN himself

TenZ zekken johnqt Kaplan and zellsis haven't achieved a quarter of what anyone on NRG has

offseason tourney

wait till real VCT starts

This is pure delusion ngl

Crashies and Victor were NRG’s two best players this year

Crashies #6 ranked player Americas Victor #8

Victor also #3 during regular season

They were also the only ones showing up at champions and they popped off in tokyo

Not true. Marved was thrown into a collapsing mess of a team

No igl could save them from last season

If you threw any igl into SEN last year mid season they would have done just as bad

s0mantha fo sho

Its true though

If kiNgg was a great igl he would have better LAN results and better VCT Americas results

LEG looked so weak tactically last year doing the same predictable, bad things

Its not fair to say johnqt is a great igl when he has only played tier 2 teams up until now

About sacy and pancada, they have only found success with one team while crashies and victor have found success with multiple iterations of teams. They know better than sacy and pancada what it takes to win

How is marved not a good igl?

Sentinels were just a terribke team that didn’t let him shine

Nope

Sacy and pancada aren’t as smart as the NRG players

I also don’t know how much experience they have calling

RIP gamr

Always remembered

Two months is enough

What the hell man

Tru but if FNS himself is saying crashies will be a great igl having played with him firsthand, I believe him