When SEN wash BLG and Wolves beat heretics remember this. You have zero ball knowledge.

Which happens all the time? for any region.

You're going by what they did vs what they were like going into it which defeats the point... thus far wolves and blg have performed better than mibr and heretics...

In what way were edg bad going into madrid...

EDG weren't bad going into madrid though or bangkok. They were literally champs winners???

And then lose and regret it and go out in lowers.

Tenz and Sacy don't really matter? Its who leads the team. Dont get me wrong Sacy and Tenz had impact but what really matters for that is the coach and igl. Not to mention they also kept zellsis who was doing a lot of secondary calling. And while not the same type of impact most likely zellsis has said n4rrate is very vocal when it comes to calling as well.

I don't support aspas. I only like mibr because they have verno. But fair enough. Geng look much better.

Karon won’t even get passed MIBR

0/8

Sen change depending on who they play and wolves had a very good style to play against Sen they’ll adapt to whoever they play that they aren’t used to. Their ability to adapt has been what they were good at since beginning of 2024. They’re fine. Need a larger sample size to tell overrall.

Back to coping.

They were planting lol their positions were pretty obvious. It’s the opposite of braindead.

Was it a great half though.

Predictable game icl.

Cope

Wolves won’t win a single defense round without a clutch mark my words.

lol ok

They’ve been playing with penny for a week lol where do you get 2 days notice.

Fantasy

Aka it’s do able… this is nothing more than changing how your team plays which isn’t inherently to their detriment especially to the point of being indicative of not even playing a close game.

If you don’t have an igl you would play a style that then doesn’t require you to rely on an igl… the point is simply not having an igl isn’t a problem is how you perform which in liquid’s case is In a vacuum. For all we know they may end up worse with nAts > Penny.

None of them would even beat wolves

As if prx haven’t been playing without an igl the majority of if not all of franchising

Isn’t that just how it’s said

Probably a decently sized buyout that tier 2 teams aren’t willing to commit to. And simply too much competition for tier 1.

Boaster
Johnqt
FNS

So far Hyunmin

I mean, majority of the things you do in live serve no real impactful purpose. Most things we do outside of working are for enjoyment and the experience. Why would life be any different.

Majority of pro players mind their own business and get hate, lol? You say this like it's a special case.

Good to see I'm not the only one considering Johnqt for top 10

I mean, Nightz somehow got worse. He looked even better than Cane when he played for rankers. But right now it definitely looks that way.

Zekken is better on every agent. And overall the better player. Mada is like bottom 5 duelists in Americas.

DUELIST: zekken, kaajak, jemkin
INITIATOR: verno, riens, trent
CONTROLLER: keiko, karon, bang
SENTINEL: Benjy, leaf, nats
IGL: johnqt, boaster, valyn

Tbh as good as Leo was, Mako is very overlooked. He hasn't won anything fair enough, but people praise Leo for his time even before Fnatic. Mako has been one of the best players in the world since Vision Strikers. And I'd argue he was easily the best on every iteration of V1 and DRX very underrated.

You just have to have passion

Yeah, they did until they actually struggled as a team and portrayed a narrative in which he was the source of their problems.

That is just absolutely false.

Every other player on EDG has been together longer. Common sense. S1mon is quite literally more vocal in games than Smoggy... that is not at all where conflicts stemmed from lmao.

That's the bare minimum and all things that happened prior to these issues mental and performance coaches yet can't manage nerves and pressure...? Researching? I was a FAN of the team I'm shit talking lol. Biggest org by what metric? lol that's not even remotely close to the truth, edg is in fact not even top 5. Please inform me of another instance of a player in the "biggest org in the entire esport" with multiple performance and mental coaches and ever so supporting teammates being removed due to pressure.

I think you're bias… they wanted to change s1mon due to internal conflicts THAT INVOLVED him supposedly not putting in effort or communicating, which stems from a disconnect in their shit system and shit management no one claimed anything of him being a better player.

That wasn't my point, though. Of course, looking that it in a vacuum just him stepping down isn't indicative of poor management, hence I said “Further” proof.

Envy
Enterprise
E-Xolos
Riddle Order
BBL
Motiv
Rest are kinda mid

Absolutely... and if your team and management fail in handling said pressure at the very least to the point of being able to player a single regional match, I mean they didn't even make an international yet which is when nerves truly set in, then yeah I'm looking at the team as lacking in terms of its handling of its players and atmosphere. Especially when that team goes on to add ANOTHER PLAYER who's never played in T1 or T2... like???

Further proof, EDG can't properly manage or support their players. Very rarely will a player feel pressured, at least for long, with a good and supporting team around them.

All that talk of Jieni7 being a way better fit and putting in much more time than S1mon to justify the change and how S1mon was the problem, only to turn around before even reaching stage 2 and drop him? Joke of an org.

Zekken - Duelist
Tenz - Smokes
Johnqt - Senti/IGL
Trent - Recon
Leo - Flash
Kaplan - Coach

People fell for this?

I’m always right you’ll see.

Anyone can play absolutely shit lmao Asuna has gone 6-15 10-19 13-20 in games lol and he’s the actual raze player Cryo’s raze against fut wasn’t “horrible” and giving up immediately is the exact problem.