Iceland Format

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Deadpanmitten94

https://youtu.be/yOcGQZa0_X0

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Kinda sad to see groups without some teams

GUARD and G2 are going COLD into playoffs, interesting

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Only team that would benefit would be like Fnatic who have the saving starts theme going on

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really don't like the idea of double elimination playoffs bracket. should've been single elimination like berlin masters and champions.
edit: on second thought, double elimination might just be better.

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why should it double elim is good, that's how the guard secured 1st seed.

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2nd chance shouldn't be a thing at a event of that level

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look at NA playoffs, Optic beats Guard but Guard still gets a second chance at securing 1st seed but, in masters the stakes are higher. it should be one shot at glory and 1 bad day, you're out.

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why though lol

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the upper final is kind of redundant in this format. it means, a team can fuck up early in the competition and still win the masters. in the grand finals there would be 1 team that went undeafeated and 1 team that already lost a game. so, it's unfair to the undefeated team as it disregards their form up until that moment. but, gives a second shot to the other team based on nothing. in NA, it was just seeding so not a big deal, but in masters the stakes are higher.

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all sorts of shit could happen in one game. could be a fluke. if the team that wins upper bracket is the best they will beat whoever wins lower bracket anyway.

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fluke is not a good enough excuse to lose. and you can use that excuse in grand finals too. what if the Guard win over Optic was a fluke (i'm not saying it was)? and to reach upper finals you need to beat 2 of the best teams and to win upper finals you have to beat the best team from the opposite side of the bracket. all 3 games in a row can't just be a fluke.

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"to reach upper finals you have to beat 2 of the best teams" - not necessarily true depending on groups.

dont forget that whoever makes the lower bracket run has to beat the same teams the upper bracket runner beats as well. its a better way to properly rank the teams in the tournament. vct korea had a single elim tourney and thus the second best team in KR (TNL) did not get to go to Berlin for Masters because they ended up getting an unlucky draw versus VS.

single elim means anyone can just go win depending on their luck in groups. double elim proves that you deserve your spot at GF and it wasnt a lucky sequence of teams.

also statistically double elim is better.

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ShyftNot1

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yeah, maybe so.

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CongoBat

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Double elim ensures that the best 2 teams make grand finals, regardless of seeding. Last years Iceland is a perfect example of this. Sentinels and Fnatic played in round 1, and met each other again in the grand finals. Imagine if it was single elim: Fnatic, the second best team in the tournament, gets knocked out almost immediately, and the grand finals is Sentinels stomping Nuturn.

Also, if teams are going to get byes to playoffs, single elim just doesnt work. There should be no situation where a team only plays 1 match and goes home.

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yes.

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Strafe7

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Yes, also double elim is good for seeing more matchups that we otherwise wouldn't get which to me is the most important thing for these international tournaments.

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akaCroz

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i agree, i think a single elim would probably be more appropriate for champions

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Giannero

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Eh, this format is actually better than what I expected at the start ngl

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fair enough.

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L take

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ShyftNot1

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why do you think this is better?

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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Look at what the guard did in NA.

Or what G2 did in EU, knocked down by liquid in the first round and then go all the way to grand finals.

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those were seeding games, but imagine if it was masters. Optic already beat Guard once but they still need to beat them again to win? Guard fucked up and lost a game but, Optic didn't. but at the end they have equal chance at winning the tournament. that's why it's unfair to the undefeated team as they can't flop in the last day where the team who already lost once still gets another shot at glory. that imo, is undeserved when they stakes are higher and not just seeding games.

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Lmao if you think the games didn't have just as much on them because they were "sEeDinG gAmEs" hahahhahahhahah. If you can't beat the team twice you don't fucking deserve to win. It's that simple.

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but grd also didn't beat them twice

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ShyftNot1

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but the guard didn't beat Optic twice either?

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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I was talking about OpTic not being able to beat them twice. If the lower bracket team loses and then wins out from lower bracket then they deserve to win.

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algorhythm

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why though? if the lower bracket team got the second chance why shouldn't the upper bracket team get second chance if they lose finals?

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delusional_sentinels_fan1

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Because the upper bracket team usually gets some sort of advantage of sorts

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Strafe7

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They weren't just seeding games, those top seeds literally get an extra 75 points by automatically qualifying for playoffs.

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please read this: https://www.vlr.gg/79207/the-power-of-double-elimination

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ShyftNot1

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wow, hmm. i might be wrong here. thank you for linking me this.

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ForumPeasant

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It’s hard to say without seeing the tournament using this format, but I prefer 16 teams in a tournament.

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Same

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Strafe7

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I like double elim, not sure if top seeds being put into playoffs is good or bad though.

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Best is always round robin, fair and get a clear top 4

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kocunar

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Kinda expected for a 12 team tournament. Sadly we won't see the top teams too much.

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turkey

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i love double elim brackets but honestly those 4 teams that qualified aren’t gonna be warmed up while a team like idk fucking zeta division yes an easy group and 4-0’s everyone and then beats g2 off the momentum

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Ryuzaki

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why NiP/Leviatán goes to playoffs instead of Loud/KRU? :v why not 2 groups of 6 teams?

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Mbappe

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No they dont. The winner of NIP/LEV decides which region sends their #1 seed. If NIP win, Loud advances. If LEV win, Kru advances

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Ryuzaki

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ah ty for explaining. Should've paid more attention to the video.

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RG

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NA can finally get out of groups