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[Bracket Fail] VCT BR Groups

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#1
FerahgoTheGreat

TLDR: The VCT BR 2022 stage 1 groups are very lopsided. The problem is the fact that ORGS got invited and not TEAMS/PLAYERS.

To start, I do not think teams in groups should be distributed based on how good people think they are. They should be random unless actual results can be used for seeding. That being said the VCT BR groups for stage 1 are completely lopsided. In my opinion and in the opinion of most people looking at the groups, every team in group B (Keyd Stars, Sharks, Furia) are better than every team in group A (Vikings new roster, Gamelanders new roster, Liberty). Here is a thread where people ranked the BR teams. or Noyn's rankings

Group B will also get one of LOUD/NIP from the first closed quals. This means that group B will have at least 4 of the teams that were consistently thought of as top 5-6 teams in the region.

I would like to make the case that the problem does not lie in the randomness of the seeds but rather the fact that too many orgs got invited. If the best teams/players got invited there would be some lopsidedness but at least everything is competetive. EU and NA invited teams based on 2021 circuit points and the standard for all of VCT is that a core of 3 players is needed to keep circuit points. The Gamelanders lineup has a single player from 2021 to go along with 4 of Stars Horizons players who were 8th in points, and Vikings have none of the same players. If you invite unproven teams into random seedings you run the risk of bad seedings which does not benefit most of the players, the fans, the tournament, or the scene.

I am against franchising even when it works but for it to work you have to have orgs buy spots and be guaranteed them for the year which is not the case here. In franchising, the players are incentivized to pick teams who have spots in order to play in the big tournaments, and the orgs are incentivized to buy players without the risk of it not working and them losing their spot. For example, Vikings is not a big org and were only here because their previous team did well. They did not have the money to keep their players or compete with the big orgs for the best players but are here anyways with a budget team (I still hope they do well).

Hopefully the teams in group A make it competitive so there isn't a clear disparity in performance, but it is entirely possible Group B ends up with what could have been all of the top 5 teams in Brazil. More likely a couple teams in Group A are good and one or two in Group B get screwed or fall apart.

How I would fix with the 3 player rule: If a team does not keep 3 players they do not get invited. I would invite 4 teams which would default to KS(5 players), Liberty(4), Furia(4), and SH (4 but now gamelanders). Not great but at least the new Vikings aren't randomly here and there would be 6 spots for teams to earn their place instead of 4.

How I would fix with individual player points rule: If players can keep (1/5th) of the VCT points they earned in 2021 the teams(points) would be KS(250, 4/5ths of KS points and 1/5 of GLB from mwzera, 1/5 of Vorax from v1xen, 1/5 of Pain from murizzz, 1/5 of HL from heat), Liberty(165, 4/5 of HL stage 3, 3/5 in stage 2, 1/5 of Vorax from krain), LOUD(161, 2/5 of VKS, 1/5 of SH, 1/5 of Jag, 1/5 of SLK stage 2), Sharks(156, 2/5 of SHK, and 1/5 of VKS), Furia(99, 4/5 of Furia minus Txddy1's points from stage1/2), GLB(63, 4/5 of SH and 1/5 of GLB).
You can choose the top 4 or top 6 in this case as at least the spots will be earned.

If you support franchising, Vikings needed to be guaranteed that spot for all of VCT 2022 or they don't have enough incentive to spend.

#2
FerahgoTheGreat
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EMEA groups have a similar format, but only 4 out of 12 teams were invited and they had tons of circuit points and kept the same players (mostly).

#3
Noyn
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Do you have any twitter so i can tag you?

#4
PrTsty
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hi noyn, are you hyped for the VTT?

#5
Noyn
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What is VTT?

#6
PrTsty
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Valorant Toasty Tour (Sponsored by PrTsty, aka. Pirate Toasty, aka. me)

#7
Noyn
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Kkkkkkk, how can i watch this?

#10
PrTsty
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Its a vlr.gg user competition, everyone can participate

#11
PrTsty
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Expect calypso*

#8
FerahgoTheGreat
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No I do not. Feel free to use whatever you like.

#9
Noyn
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I already did an Power ranking so that u can check as well https://twitter.com/noynvlr/status/1484929511540015113?s=21

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andreyoliveira7
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underated thread that's a W

#13
kwe
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W thread

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Izanagi
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Agree, group B will probably be a battle of tier 1 teams while group A will be the "underdogs" teams playing to see who's going to be eliminated in the playoffs to the group B teams.

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