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how can i entry better

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#1
estonianhagi

https://imgur.com/a/oKuBkEg i kind of died too fast without getting any impact. I really think if i told omen to smoke ct(ignore the heaven smoke as well) instead of one waying me which is obviously my fault because why wouldnt you one way. any tips on what i shouldve done better?

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play a dash agent

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estonianhagi
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soo address the elephant in the room? what is omen doing

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one way smoking bridge, as he should

why the fuck are you buying regen armor on pistol? why are you going bridge side? why the fuck are you going phx when you have a reyna?

I have more indictments for you than the omen he actually did what he should do

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estonianhagi
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you know i was really thinking maybe i was toxic when i said that to viper but i sat and contemplated every single scenario and there wasnt one where omen should be onewaying box in this exact moment and situation. https://imgur.com/a/LsBtDeQ kudos to you though you've sparked my outerbody experience

#20
mKeLQx2
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wait,how is regen armor bad here? he got both wall and one flash plus

#21
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double flash and ghost is much better value if u dont have a dash

flash once for someone to go in with and then flash again then you go in

realistically regen armor is only good on pistol if ur raid boss'ing someone which will literally never happen in any rank other than top 100 rad

#22
estonianhagi
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i shouldve clearly bought a sherrif and heavy shields duh dudes will do anything but address the one way omen thru LMFAO this whole post is satire as hell but im actually shocked

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im sorry but the best thing you and your omen should have done is omen flashing under heaven and you going througth your wall not going bridge

#3
foythvlr
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ask and wait for the smoke prob. you would likely take two fights at the same time fighting CT since you havent cleared backsite. entry itself was fine i think i understood the idea of the wall was just weird that you isolated well just to not isolate at all after

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Your omen definitely shouldn’t be smoking that, he should be smoking CT. However, your entry pathing is really weird, entries should never be scaling the right. You should always scale left and either stay bottom or go top site to fight the backsite players.

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he's probably walling and flashing his left no?

#8
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Not sure what you mean by that, but to explain, by walling the left, you are allowing the heaven player to flood easily so they can crunch the attackers with the help of the backsite players easily. The worst thing you can do on an A site abyss entry is allow the heaven players to flood. You also lose the ability to threaten the top site jump up which is the single most important aspect of the A site entry

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jawn
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that's presumably what he wants, he walls to scale and flashes through to under heaven to punish anchors/flooders

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Well that’s not what he’s doing in the video + it’s just a bad wall because even he does that, he’s isolating himself from his team

#11
jawn
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i'm dumb as shit i thought it was just a screenshot of the minimap not a video 😭😭😭😭😭😭

you're also right that wall is a gigantic throw

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estonianhagi
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omen blind there is no flood if you just omen blind off of the wall

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estonianhagi
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im scaling left wall drops in 2 seconds anyway and i was going to crunch the backsite players but i assumed omg silly me i assumed omen would smoke ct. omen is also supposed to blind left side anyway and you just swing off of that backsite but you have to be a saint right? theres no way you saw omen one way me and you just glanced through it like it was nothing

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jawn
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enemy team is about to flood on you and your team is fragmented, probably didn't even trade you

#7
hoboclap
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play with ur team and wait for them. you went too fast, also js dont go that way if you are playing phoenix lol

#14
estonianhagi
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lol no this was how i thought it would go https://imgur.com/a/DijzkvQ but idk i got onewayed idrc if i died to ct if he smoked ct even if it was late cuz i knifed out but one waying me is my last straw

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yeah idk why people even do that smoke icl, the one way is barely a one way since most agents can play on the back edge anyways, but who knows.

but yeah that entry was mainly messed up bc of no comms and or miscommunication

#16
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watch a lot of aspas he is great at entrying

#18
estonianhagi
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thanks man omens been watching alot of berlin too those were awesome smokes!

#23
kbkdark
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just don't pull knife when "entrying" 😊
If you never had pulled your knife, u would killed enemy's Omen, since he hit you twice while you were in the animation of pulling the classic yet

#24
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If you do want a genuine answer, I'd say look at the space your team wants to take in the moment. Back site is definitely valuable to space to take generally, but A: because you walled left-side there's a fair amount of risk of someone playing behind the wall/dropping out of heaven, so that space is quite inherently risking once the wall drops in a few seconds (not to say that the wall is necessarily bad, but there's pros and cons of blocking off an area). B: is look at where your team is. Sova and Omen are miles away, and none of you, sage or reyna are particularly good at creating space on their own (esp now that you're out of flashes). Imo it would be better at this point to consolidate the space you have, wait for omen and sova to catch up, and catch anyone playing behind the wall off-guard who's expecting you to over-extend and rush onto site. At that point, you can route backsite together and clear it a lot more effectively.
Ironically, if you wanted to play like this, the one-way for backsite actually would have helped you isolate the front site angles and incrementally clear the space (though I doubt Omen was really thinking that), but just generally I think that when you're out of sync with what your team wants to do, it's going to make it harder for you to create space, and make it feel like you're getting much less support when you try to.

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ur entry pathing and peek was ass
ur walling of heaven so they can come out and help their team and going bridge on entry is just ass
if ur doing that wall u gotta swing through it with flash

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