high rankers come

need help with counterplay for when veto is t side lotus

he can throw his e instant out of a main and ct cant see it, and like all of the meta A fight util will just get obliterated (fade suck, eye, raze nade, neon stun)

we tried smoking insta outside of a main but he can just throw the E above the smoke and itll still break the util thats thrown insta before my teammate can go out far enough to shoot it, and bc the attackers know the util is gonna get broken they just flood out instantly anyways and obliterate us if we try and help

does this one ability just completely negate the A fight or is there some counterplay im missing

im realizing now that breach stun and omen flash can solve this issue but asking for either of those agents in ranked lobbies these days might be too much to ask for

have your own veto setup his e first

personally i'd just not fight for a off rip and instead reclear