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Should RIOT merge regions or split up EMEA
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wedqatwrtgehge [#2]Merge JP and KR and merge LATAM and Brazil (not so sure what the ping differences are there and if it's a viable option though).
You know that the USA is closer to the UK than México is to Brazil.
juni [#3]You know that the USA is closer to the UK than México is to Brazil.
Oh then just ignore the second part only merge JP and KR, my bad.
juni [#3]You know that the USA is closer to the UK than México is to Brazil.
Brazil is closer to Canada than its southern most point
Sem1- [#5]make it EU, CIS and maybe the region around Turkey
JP honestly doesn't deserve a spot, but they probably gave them one just because the game is popular there
Just because they are bad doesn't mean they don't deserve the spot. Image watching league without NA and EU because they are bad and don't deserve a spot in world.
Stendo [#9]Just because they are bad doesn't mean they don't deserve the spot. Image watching league without NA and EU because they are bad and don't deserve a spot in world.
should just be 1 APAC region and they can fight it out with one another
Sem1- [#12]should just be 1 APAC region and they can fight it out with one another
yeah and make the SEA/KR/JP region underdeveloped like in csgo? no way kiddo
YAYE [#15]yeah and make the SEA/KR/JP region underdeveloped like in csgo? no way kiddo
if you are bad then it's your problem that you won't get anywhere
Sem1- [#17]if you are bad then it's your problem that you won't get anywhere
Better than You. There is always room to improve so what if a region is bad, they have the fundamentals to improve doesn't matter where you come from.
SourceAvocado [#18]Better than You. There is always room to improve so what if a region is bad, they have the fundamentals to improve doesn't matter where you come from.
sure let's give every country a slot and maybe give China 10 since they have 1 Billion people
Sem1- [#5]make it EU, CIS and maybe the region around Turkey
JP honestly doesn't deserve a spot, but they probably gave them one just because the game is popular there
They probably wouldn't do it, because if they do then the LJL would have already merge with the LCK years ago, and EU & NA will only get at least 2 spots at Worlds since the gap with China & Korea is far ahead for the West. This is Riot and they took League success as their reference in building their new esports.
Sem1- [#19]sure let's give every country a slot and maybe give China 10 since they have 1 Billion people
1 head take
Louie [#22]1 head take
Why don't we give a slot to Vietnam if Japan got one so that they can improve then
Sem1- [#23]Why don't we give a slot to Vietnam if Japan got one so that they can improve then
because vietnam dnt have money and community as largest japan did kid
You clearly underage Japan has money and community thats why they got slot
Sem1- [#19]sure let's give every country a slot and maybe give China 10 since they have 1 Billion people
expected from bootleg Philippine flag
tonyhart7 [#24]because vietnam dnt have money and community as largest japan did kid
You clearly underage Japan has money and community thats why they got slot
literally proving my point that they got a slot just because the game is popular there and kids can buy riot's skins
Sem1- [#26]literally proving my point that they got a slot just because the game is popular there and kids can buy riot's skins
so ???
its bussiness what 1 head
tonyhart7 [#27]so ???
its bussiness what 1 head
did I say it isn't? I'm just saying that the quality of their teams don't match other top regions
Sem1- [#28]did I say it isn't? I'm just saying that the quality of their teams don't match other top regions
so championship just open to NA and EU team ???
enough what u talking bruh
tonyhart7 [#29]so championship just open to NA and EU team ???
enough what u talking bruh
can you fucking read? How are you from Singapore and unable to comprehend English?
I literally said that they should be merged into an APAC region and the top teams would advance, didn't specify the slots, could be the current amount or even more.
Sem1- [#30]can you fucking read? How are you from Singapore and unable to comprehend English?
I literally said that they should be merged into an APAC region and the top teams would advance, didn't specify the slots, could be the current amount or even more.
cant you even read what my comment is ??
You clearly underage Japan has money and community thats why they got slot
if SEA is not busy with their mobile game they will got slot too
but nah SEA is too small
tonyhart7 [#31]cant you even read what my comment is ??
You clearly underage Japan has money and community thats why they got slot
if SEA is not busy with their mobile game they will got slot too
but nah SEA is too small
if you could type properly I would understand that you mean underrate and not underage, what a dumbass.
if they all play in the APAC region then your region won't be playing because of your "mobile games" either, so what's your point
Sem1- [#33]if you could type properly I would understand that you mean underrate and not underage, what a dumbass.
if they all play in the APAC region then your region won't be playing because of your "mobile games" either, so what's your point
You are underage because u is too stupid to understand bussiness standpoint
Sem1- [#33]if you could type properly I would understand that you mean underrate and not underage, what a dumbass.
if they all play in the APAC region then your region won't be playing because of your "mobile games" either, so what's your point
hehe sea team is better japan is trash they didnt have a slot
what a facking kid didnt understand that both sea and japan trash
they didnt deserve more than 1 slot
I feel like every qualifier for the Masters events should all be a group of regions on LAN(APAC, SA, NA(+OCE) and EMEA) kinda like LCQ but just for all Master quals. So basically instead of just Korea playing Korea over and over again to qual for Masters events, they would have to make it out of their Korean tournaments to qualify to the APAC LAN to then qualify to Masters. This way teams like VS or CR who dominate their own region(KR and JP respectively) would have to be tested by the teams in the regions around them to make it to Masters and teams wouldn't just make it because their own region is weak.
tonyhart7 [#34]You are underage because u is too stupid to understand bussiness standpoint
oh so you did actually mean underage, still poorly worded.
Also imagine upvoting your own posts lmao what a manchild.
Again, I did say that they got the slot just because the game is popular, which has nothing to do with my take that the quality of the teams isn't as good as LATAM teams quality even
tonyhart7 [#35]hehe sea team is better japan is trash they didnt have a slot
what a facking kid didnt understand that both sea and japan trash
they didnt deserve more than 1 slot
I think you kinda got lost in the conversation
Both SEA and JP deserves a slot they've been working hard for it just because they're developing slow doesn't mean they don't deserve a slot, APAC doesn't have the same experience in FPS compared to EU and NA so obviously they'll develop much slower give them time and if they're still horrible in 2-3 years then you can say they don't deserve the slots, taking their slots away will only make it worse and the region will only become underdeveloped.
Sem1- [#37]oh so you did actually mean underage, still poorly worded.
Also imagine upvoting your own posts lmao what a manchild.Again, I did say that they got the slot just because the game is popular, which has nothing to do with my take that the quality of the teams isn't as good as LATAM teams quality even
still better than ur facking bronze kid
Fat_Lard [#36]I feel like every qualifier for the Masters events should all be a group of regions on LAN(APAC, SA, NA(+OCE) and EMEA) kinda like LCQ but just for all Master quals. So basically instead of just Korea playing Korea over and over again to qual for Masters events, they would have to make it out of their Korean tournaments to qualify to the APAC LAN to then qualify to Masters. This way teams like VS or CR who dominate their own region(KR and JP respectively) would have to be tested by the teams in the regions around them to make it to Masters and teams wouldn't just make it because their own region is weak.
This is actually a good idea but if JP or SEA cant keep up with KR and all the slots for masters go to 1 region won't it be bad for the remaining region?
Sem1- [#41]wow, solid argument.
because ur is too stupid
slot for tournament is nothing to do with strength of team or not
they give more slot its because how big community is
What if Riot do both things ?? They could give at least one direct slots for the regions and the remainder is decided in a tournament within the region, similarly how EMEA works right now. So, considering masters 3 slots allocation, Riot could give one direct slot for EU,CIS,TR and the last one be decided in a tournament with the three regions and may the best team earn their way to masters. For me, it would be much more fun with they expand this concept to others regions like SA, JP+KR, NA+OCE+Central america
Sem1- [#17]if you are bad then it's your problem that you won't get anywhere
Regions are naturally uneven due their distictive caracteristics. EU, for example, are richer, have a huge pool of players and have a better esports culture. These caracteristics makes them almost always the pinnacle of FPS. Most of regions cant compete against them because of this. However, if you give enough Tier 1 experience, any region can produce title contender teams. BR, for example, have historically a good performance at CS. These teams only managed to reach the top after bootcamping for long periods of time in better regions. If you dont give the opportunity for smaller regions to send their best teams abroad and, consequently, not having international experience, this process simply doesnt happen and we tend to have an esports more centered in a big region than globally. So isnt like they are simply bad, maybe they didnt get the oportunity to get better.
v3natuss [#32]merge south asia and south east asia
nahh south Asian teams have much higher ping especially Pakistani Nepal and Maldives teams
Sem1- [#5]make it EU, CIS and maybe the region around Turkey
JP honestly doesn't deserve a spot, but they probably gave them one just because the game is popular there
This would just make it like CSGO tbh just because the country is bad you cant just forget about them and merge them with other struggling regions as well.. the only way for a team and region to be able to develop is when they have equal opportunities in T1 events fighting against T1 teams.
APAC is very new to the FPS genre as CSGO just neglects APAC in its entirety, This affects a lot of the quality of the games and the teams. EU, NA ,CIS have 20+ years of experience and 90% of LAN events. The way riot is doing it right now is correct by giving JP, KR , SEA each a chance at scrimming and fighting against the T1 teams of EMEA and NA they will also develop. Nothing develops overnight, it takes years. so instead of taking their spot, we should just add more teams participating with a different format that allows for more clashes between regions
wedqatwrtgehge [#2]Merge JP and KR and merge LATAM and Brazil (not so sure what the ping differences are there and if it's a viable option though).
TDLR;; LATAM is 2 regions, LAS and LAN, but south is way ahead from north, but riot's format is unfair
LATAM is already merged, LAS and LAN can't play together, but they make a playoffs event like EMEA, if u add Brazil it would be more competitive for the region but it's way harder to organize. anyway LATAM format is poorly designed, bc LA South and LA North dont play against each other even when in circuit points they share ladder. This year KRU won everything in LAS, but other teams were way better than LAN teams, even with that, only 1 LAS team was able to qualify to LCQ because LAN circuit had 2 or 3 different champions, and with KRU already qualified, rest of the region didn't had enough points to qualify to LCQ (anyway the only LAS team won against the other 6 but lost with FURIA)
s1mple_valorant_killer69 [#51]JP honestly doesnt deserved a free slot instead give them a spot qualifier instead in apac . EU deserved more slot as teams like G2 could be in here and reach semis again but CR another dissapointment to fans and to Japan lover like me.
fr CR has just been getting worse since every lan
Louie [#39]Both SEA and JP deserves a slot they've been working hard for it just because they're developing slow doesn't mean they don't deserve a slot, APAC doesn't have the same experience in FPS compared to EU and NA so obviously they'll develop much slower give them time and if they're still horrible in 2-3 years then you can say they don't deserve the slots, taking their slots away will only make it worse and the region will only become underdeveloped.
There's a pending SEA domination someday. Indonesia is already cooking a powerhouse team.
OzyMeister [#48]nahh south Asian teams have much higher ping especially Pakistani Nepal and Maldives teams
Not Maldives.
Sprouts [#43]I think KR and JP should be merged, but I don't think APAC as a whole would benefit from becoming one region
As well, once China and South Asia become more integrated into the VCT, making APAC one region could become hectic
Make China and south asia one region with east Indian server, viewership + toxicity go boom
No1_SEA_Supporter [#54]There's a pending SEA domination someday. Indonesia is already cooking a powerhouse team.
noice
prophet_m1mosa [#56]Make China and south asia one region with east Indian server, viewership + toxicity go boom
Can't do that because of the language barrier.
Sem1- [#17]if you are bad then it's your problem that you won't get anywhere
Let me widen your mind. What do you think will happen if APAC only sends a small portion of their region?
Riot certainly will lose viewership and profit by a large margin since Asia is the biggest continent. Not to mention, Riot is a company that pushes 'equality' (although may not all the time), and they even has a branch office in SEA. Also, given the potential APAC held recently, I highly doubt that Riot would and should merge all the APAC region into one.
YAYE [#16]india too
sorry indians, judging by the like-dislike rate, i guess no one likes india lmao
Fat_Lard [#36]I feel like every qualifier for the Masters events should all be a group of regions on LAN(APAC, SA, NA(+OCE) and EMEA) kinda like LCQ but just for all Master quals. So basically instead of just Korea playing Korea over and over again to qual for Masters events, they would have to make it out of their Korean tournaments to qualify to the APAC LAN to then qualify to Masters. This way teams like VS or CR who dominate their own region(KR and JP respectively) would have to be tested by the teams in the regions around them to make it to Masters and teams wouldn't just make it because their own region is weak.
imo its such a hassle to host (4 LANs + 1 LAN) x 3 throughout the year. especially during the pandemic. and the participating teams would probably be only around 8 teams judging by what you said
Louie [#42]This is actually a good idea but if JP or SEA cant keep up with KR and all the slots for masters go to 1 region won't it be bad for the remaining region?
Maybe each individual region gets 1 slot and then each larger region(APAC, NA + OCE, EMEA and SA) gets a certain amount of slots so there is a proper allocation of slots instead of Riot just saying "ehhh I feel like KR should get 3 and JP should get 1" or something like that. That way, each individual region is still represented but the slots are also fair.
YAYE [#64]imo its such a hassle to host (4 LANs + 1 LAN) x 3 throughout the year. especially during the pandemic. and the participating teams would probably be only around 8 teams judging by what you said
I mean this is for next year and the pandemic has really been going away(aside from the new variant or whatever) so it shouldn't be too difficult and even if it is, then they can just implement something like this when we're out of the pandemic.
Sem1- [#17]if you are bad then it's your problem that you won't get anywhere
"if you are bad then it's your problem that you won't get anywhere". gatekeeping i see. this is exactly why the na csgo scene died they refuse to develop their talents. they tried to reduce the influx of players and just recycle their current players. look at the eu cis regions in csgo instead of gatekeeping they help upcoming players.
Fat_Lard [#69]I mean this is for next year and the pandemic has really been going away(aside from the new variant or whatever) so it shouldn't be too difficult and even if it is, then they can just implement something like this when we're out of the pandemic.
in case you missed my point, its already a hassle even without pandemic.
compared to csgo, they have event organizers such as PGL, ESL, BLAST, StarLadder, eXTREMESLAND (for asia), etc which made LAN possible be held in each region. Riot doesnt give the privilege to other organizers to host a tournament under the organizer's name. Riot only use organizers to help them organize a qualifer in each region and countries.
lastly, whatever youre suggesting, is really shallow and if you think about it deeper, you'll find many holes like for example not all countries have their pandemic going away, like in Europe, its rising fast.
Viktor22 [#46]Regions are naturally uneven due their distictive caracteristics. EU, for example, are richer, have a huge pool of players and have a better esports culture. These caracteristics makes them almost always the pinnacle of FPS. Most of regions cant compete against them because of this. However, if you give enough Tier 1 experience, any region can produce title contender teams. BR, for example, have historically a good performance at CS. These teams only managed to reach the top after bootcamping for long periods of time in better regions. If you dont give the opportunity for smaller regions to send their best teams abroad and, consequently, not having international experience, this process simply doesnt happen and we tend to have an esports more centered in a big region than globally. So isnt like they are simply bad, maybe they didnt get the oportunity to get better.
how does having the APAC region playing one another prevent anyone from bootcamping in EU?
418 [#70]"if you are bad then it's your problem that you won't get anywhere". gatekeeping i see. this is exactly why the na csgo scene died they refuse to develop their talents. they tried to reduce the influx of players and just recycle their current players. look at the eu cis regions in csgo instead of gatekeeping they help upcoming players.
csgo scene died? You might believe that if you keep visiting this echo chamber of a website. idk what you mean by the last sentence, the major slots for EU and CIS have been the same for years and only recently did CIS become good enough to be consistently winning things. Tons of new players popped up since the game became free, mostly from China and yet nothing good was ever producent from there. Plenty of CS teams have academy teams that are developing talents.
0racle [#7]Turkey should get it's own slot imo.
I've said that in another thread, but I'll say it again. This would be the worst decision by far and would actually fuck the scene here up. We dun want Val to end up like LoL, where we got our own slot and immediately fell behind EU, which eliminated our chance to compete in the highest level.
Riizwan19xx [#65]If riot doesnt give a slot to South asia next circuit, they are trolling !
Trolling my ass. We don't even have a good team to beat KR and SEA teams. First we have to be competitive in APAC region. Then we can talk about a place
falsefy [#49]This would just make it like CSGO tbh just because the country is bad you cant just forget about them and merge them with other struggling regions as well.. the only way for a team and region to be able to develop is when they have equal opportunities in T1 events fighting against T1 teams.
APAC is very new to the FPS genre as CSGO just neglects APAC in its entirety, This affects a lot of the quality of the games and the teams. EU, NA ,CIS have 20+ years of experience and 90% of LAN events. The way riot is doing it right now is correct by giving JP, KR , SEA each a chance at scrimming and fighting against the T1 teams of EMEA and NA they will also develop. Nothing develops overnight, it takes years. so instead of taking their spot, we should just add more teams participating with a different format that allows for more clashes between regions
when did I ever say that I want to take away their slots? Everyone in the replies is creating strawmans that they are attacking and not even reading my arguments.
tyloo and vici have been consistently the best teams from the region and they haven't achieved anything even though they bootcamp in EU pretty often
tonyhart7 [#44]because ur is too stupid
slot for tournament is nothing to do with strength of team or not
they give more slot its because how big community is
my argument was pool together their slots, you are just making a strawman
cokeandyoghurt [#60]Splitting EMEA kills CIS and TR.
Absolutely. Currently CIS has only Gambit while TR has couple of good teams who can put up a fight against EU teams. Maybe in 2,3 years we will see CIS has his own slot.
Sem1- [#75]csgo scene died? You might believe that if you keep visiting this echo chamber of a website. idk what you mean by the last sentence, the major slots for EU and CIS have been the same for years and only recently did CIS become good enough to be consistently winning things. Tons of new players popped up since the game became free, mostly from China and yet nothing good was ever producent from there. Plenty of CS teams have academy teams that are developing talents.
did you read? i said na csgo scene. you think i'm one of those braindead idiots believing csgo is gonna die because of valorant well you thought wrong. eu cis is very much active and the only relevant regions in csgo tbh.
418 [#85]did you read? i said na csgo scene. you think i'm one of those braindead idiots believing csgo is gonna die because of valorant well you thought wrong. eu cis is very much active and the only relevant regions in csgo tbh.
My bad then, kinda blends in the text if you don't capitalize the letters. What about the other points though.
EDIT: nvm your post changes entirely if I actually read the "NA" there lol
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