world top 10 teams (updated)

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----- Team ---------------------------- Elo +- uncertainty (map win rate)

Gambit Esports ------------- 512 +- 107 (76%)
Vision Strikers --------------- 468 +- 156 (77%)
Envy ------------------------------- 391 +- 116 (65%)
Team Liquid ------------------- 390 +- 165 (71%)
100 Thieves ------------------- 377 +- 117 (57%)
Acend ---------------------------- 360 +- 118 (50%)
Sentinels ------------------------ 329 +- 117 (60%)
Guild Esports ----------------- 320 +- 151 (65%)
G2 Esports --------------------- 307 +- 102 (58%)
SuperMassive Blaze ------ 257 +- 113 (47%)

So according to a mathematical view of the LCQ results (and Berlin), Liquid is now 2nd best in EMEA and 4th in the world. Thoughts?

edit: 31. Team Vikings ------ -245 +- 207 (50%)

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Why is acend above sen when they both finished 7-8th in Berlin but sen won NA playoffs and acend got 3rd also Gambit>acend>liquid imo

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No way that SEN Is 7th while 100t,VS and Acend are above them 😂.

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The list is based only on Berlin, LCQ and the last stage of Berlin quals. SEN did good in quals but choked hard at Berlin which is probably why they're so low.

If I include all of Stage 3 in the data SEN is 3rd, but I don't think that's fair as the goal is to represent where teams are based on current performance. Maybe SEN choked, or maybe they just fell off, it's really hard to know

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Liquid better than envy and VS for sure

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If feaN said it, it must be true

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No Vikings? xD

bad list

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yourfather

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very nice words by our king. op please edit your post or our majesty will send you to exile. long live supernova

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crazy_igel_fan

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edited :)

#7

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how does the elo and uncertainty work, just wondering how sen is so low after just placing ok in one tournament

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mainly it's because I only include Berlin and challengers final playoffs in the dataset (and berlin results were given more weight). If I included all of Stage 3 results SEN would be 3rd.

uncertainty basically decreases when teams have more data against most other teams around their strength. Liquid's uncertainty is so high, for example, because they haven't played any NA or KR teams.

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sentinels should still be in top 2. theres too much masters 3 bias in here. plus vision strikers have been destroying a weaker region which shouldn’t propel them to number 2.

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True

#13

crazy_igel_fan

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it wasn't beating KR that put VS second, it was VS 2-0 Acend and their 2-1 loss to Gambit (the program sees a 2-1 as a much "better" loss than a 2-0)

as for SEN see #11 and #8

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by this logic 100t should be number 1...

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good list

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formula where

#20

crazy_igel_fan

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https://www.remi-coulom.fr/Bayesian-Elo/

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i get that you used data from berlin quals, berlin and lcq but what is the actual formula to get these numerical values?

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I fully agree with your list and if these teams were to face off in a round-robin tournament right now, the rankings would be similar to this at least for the top 8
After the top 8, it gets a bit more inaccurate as I feel like teams like xSet or C9 could be near G2 and Guild level but NA LCQ is delayed so we have no way of finding that out.

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vlr reply moment