You think the first CSGO LAN in nearly 2 years will be anywhere close to the viewership of Iceland Valorant event?
obviously there is no co-stream, but I think if you only compare main stream vs main stream, I think IEM Cologne will win out
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I don't get this argument at all. Why would anybody NOT want to watch Val esports on a co-stream channel? You get to watch the game and your fav streamer in one... It's more entertaining. It's not as if Shroud is doing something else other than watching it... you're acting as if it's sort of background noise to what he's actually doing, which isn't the case at all. I would be highly surprised if people just tune in to Shroud's channel just to watch him sitting there watching something else unless they are very enthused by Val esports.
People who are watching the co streams. Are there to watch the people who are doing the co stream. But also the game itself. Like if they are watching the game. Even though it's not their main priority. The fact there is that many of them still do watch the game. Unless they are just doing audio only which is sus.
hard to count it as 100% 'real' viewership IMO. It's obvious if Shroud dont stream, viewership just goes down a lot (like over 50% of shroud viewer dont tune in to main stream if Shroud not streaming VCT). It is not 'organic' so I dont want to count in my comparison. Like if Shroud stream IEM Cologene, his viewership will blow up like in VCT too
But the problem is that. There are many people who watch shroud's stream. for the game. At least that happens in a lot of my watch parties with friends. Because Shroud is just that popular.
Also one more thing. The streamers don't have to stream the game. They just get the rights to do so. You still see a ton of csgo streamers who stream csgo events and their viewership should still be considered real. Just like Pokimanes and Shrouds. Although I do think more of them do watch it for the personality. They also do watch it for the game. Because you can watch Shroud on any day even without the game and only like an eighth of the people watch Shroud when he doesn't stream the game. I do think it's not completely organic. But I still do think it should be counted.
what you say is true, but I am just looking at NA VCT viewer number for example.
If Shroud stream it, he get 50k+ views, but if he dont stream, not all 50k viewers go to the mainstream (more like 10-20k) just look at days that he didn't co-stream and u can see viewership of mainstream dont go up by 50k or anywhere close.
So people watch it like a 'react' video. sometimes you dont care a lot on the video they are reacting to, but you just want to see their reaction
true, and if CSGO allowed or had any popular streamer that wanted to co-stream, the main stream would split also. Gaules robs the mainstream of at least 50k people, the thing is that Valorant has more co-streamers, wich makes the mainstream has less viewers. Who the fuck wouldn't want to watch the match with special commentary of a player or a person you like? Mainstreams are a thing of the past, internet personalities co-streaming is the future, Gaules started that in CS, shroud is keeping it in Valorant and expanding.
SMB will win though. BBL fans are delusional.
jkjk. I'm just trolling. I really do like the SMB roster though. Because I think the roster is just structured well so this can definitely last long and make an impact early. And BBL looks ehh to me rn.
Nice FPX flair though. I forgot to put my FPX flair on for a while so I'll put it back on. Because I put on my Fnatic flair when masters started.
The thing is that Gaules started this co-stream thing with CS, Shroud is keeping that up in valorant and expanding even further. Who the hell wouldn't want to watch the game with special commentary of a former player/ internet personality you like? Co-streams are the future, main streams will have less and less viewers as time goes by.
This thread is so wrong in so many ways lmaooo shroud get 20-30k viewers playing valorant and while streaming watch partys i remember he had 350k viewers on the GF and LF (nu vs fnc) he has around 280k now imagine if TSM (TSM surely wont tho they go next year with a new roster) and BBL qualified for berlin thier fan base is mega huge atleast 1.5m viewers
I doubt that both of those teams will qualify. I can imagine BBL qualifying this year. But I find it highly unlikely. And I don't imagine them surviving next year. TSM. If they make changes. Can most def qualy next year just because of their thicc budget. But also I don't think their management is good. If there is any.
Your points are right though.
Iem cologne main stream getting 40k viewers...
Swear to god valo MAIN STREAM was getting 120K viewers (without watch partys frm shroud etc)
And ig 120k viewers in the TL vs V1 match...cuzz i don't remember seeing how much it did in the GF prolly 250k on mainstream 350k on shrouds...
Valo had total of 1.3m viewers on the GF day...
And it was the first LAN...i think valo has taken over the scene in all the regions except NA
truth hurts, but reality is that the meta in pro play is so predictable and boring
i play at high level in both games and watch both games, there were 0 interesting plays in last VCT masters. What was the most interesting play you remember from masters? Lakia jumping down from heaven? Yeah... its just a joke when it's the highest level of competition but people don't recall a single good play from the tournament, that's when you know it's boring
unfortunately the number of updates doesn't dictate the amount of depth a game has
dota 2 pre 7.00 had more depth than post 7.00
its sad because you still can't bring up a single good play from the last masters xD... isn't it obvious? it's like no matter how many updates a game gets, if they don't improve the underlying mechanics or rework the maps, it will always be boring
it's like overwatch, it doesn't matter how many new things they add to the game, no one takes the game seriously
Imma be honest after reading this I want to shoot myself LOL also "Nobody takes the overwatch seriously" ??? the fuck are you talking about lol its still a respected esport that averages good viewers every week also Valorant has much more depth than CS you fucking troglodyte. Also there is Like 10 plays from masters under me. PS youre just retarded
again truth hurts, you can resort to insults all you want, doesn't change the fact that its a boring game
you say you have 10 palys from masters but never links them or brings them up, sums it up about your argument xD
anyway enjoy playing the game at silver-gold level or whatever, of course it'll be interesting for you. But for immortal - radiant level players like me who also play CSGO (esea rank A level) the game is extremely simple and low depth, I don't even tune in to anything besides masters because its same as watchin ESEA league games, just low skilled and boring
just as there's a diff between faceit and pros in cs, there's a diff in radiant and a pro.
You have 0 clue abt depth in pro play in val, coaches try to constantly bring up new comps, combinations of mixing agents utility( sage ult and brims ult etc,) anti strating specific timings of rotations( watch fnc haven boasters lurk), fnatic's insane setups and more
Lets see the depth in cs, the same old 5 strats in dust 2?, what can u even bring anything new to cs. U cant deny all the permuations which u can do in valorant considering the agents and u may think only certain agents are viable in certain maps, its false coz if u are a super nerd u can make any comp work.
The meta always shifts bcoz of the updates u can bring to val and teams are in a flux of trying it out themselves and with pro teams.
All of these makes the game more exhilarating and the possibilities are endless in val which makes it tactically superior to cs.
there's nothing even remotely interesting about those clutches tho lol
since sentinels and fnatic are the only good teams, i'll use those examples
like the dapr clutch was him anchoring A site? like how is that even memorable? that happens like 2 days ago in my pub matches on split probably?
shahzam clutch, more interesting, though I can't really appreciate it as much since it was just a 1v2 and sprays are inherently very luck based in this game, so I'll give it maybe a 3/10 in terms of hype? The result was good but again, I really can't appreciate the play as much since spray is heavy RNG in this game and he did get lucky when you consider that
and also, a single play from s1mple was better than the entire VCT masters (btw, watch Hobbits 3 kill around on Dust 2 last tournament, it was a display of insane game sense + aim)
s1mple reads the situation like a book, cracks open the site by himself, wraps around to control, kills 1, fakes drop sound by shooting, and clutches 1v4. That's top tier play, not some random 1v2 in valorant that no one even remembers xD
because it's RNG whether the gun goes left/right after the first 5-6 bullets, you will always miss a couple by nature of RNG.
You can eventually control it but never to degree of controlling the spray and making it headshot someone, so yes, it is a lot of luck in Valorant to get those 1v2 spray transfers on the head
People seem to completely miss Youtube viewers. While it isn't as much as twitch. There is a noticeable percentage that watch from there. There was almost 20K for the SEN vs Soniqs game a couple days ago just on Youtube. While that is lower that Twitch obviously, that is a healthy portion of the audience not to forget.
Anyways, I don't know why people focus on finding a winner in viewership when both games are healthy. Both games can live happily together. It's silly to argue over viewership to the point where you are debating what percentage of co-streams viewers are "real" viewers and which aren't.
Many of the costream viewers are there watching the person, but not one can deny a big part of those would watch the game anyway, especially when is someone Valorant related. I watch co streams, cuz I guess the same experience plus I can hear an extra opinion, but I would definitely watch the game anyway
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