why boys > girls in esports ?

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laurus

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Discouraged? Perhaps. Is this the only reason? No. They simply don't have the same competitive drive.

#93

TheHardStuckImmortal

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you cannot objectively determine that.

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ash_knuckles

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why do you keep saying that but avoiding any rebuttals to the argument? are you fucking braindead? there is no data that alludes to such a conclusive statement as much as it does to any other conclusive statement. It MIGHT be that, as there are SOME stats available that point to a hypothesis of such nature, but all of it is inconclusive. I'm not saying your statement is incorrect, but you just simply CANNOT present it as fact.

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laurus

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All the rebuttals to the argument are biased towards societal aspect

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ash_knuckles

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how are they biased??? i literally referenced judith polgar above as someone who was raised apart from these societal norms showing more competitiveness. All the stats available are inconclusive, but our hypothesis has backing proof.

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And? Judit Polgar is an exception. There have definitely been tens of thousands of more girls raised apart from "societal norms" who played chess and didn't achieve anything at all.

She and her sisters were heavily trained since the very beginning of their lives and were basically deprived of childhood. Nothing like this happened to vast majority of both male and female grandmasters or even regular players.

Not to mention they all have high jewish IQ due to genetics.

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there are no explicit records of an experiment on such a scale as judith's ever being carried out again, as laszlo's work was obviously regarded as unethical. There MAY have been failed attempts at replication, which is why i still consider this hypothesis inconclusive, but it obviously holds more water than saying "oH wOmAn JuSt nO cOmPeTiTivE lOle'".

P.S: mf your edit is proving my point. Judith and Susan Polgar ARE the exceptions that give my postulation substance dumbass

#114

laurus

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I never said women aren't competitive, I said on average not as competitive as men.
You also need to have good genetics to be as smart as Judit Polgar.

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ash_knuckles

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Not to mention they all have high jewish IQ due to genetics

i haven't encountered this level of stupidity before so i'm just gonna ignore this part

What are you on about. She is the exception because she was engineered to be. The entire argument is centered around the point that this engineering is replicable with the average woman. She exists as a reference point in this argument to prove that, not the other way around.

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laurus

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Her IQ is naturally much higher than the IQ of any person in the world. Or cognitive abilities, whatever you want to call it.

Jews are known to be on average very smart. Surely you're not dumb enough to believe all ethnic groups are equally intelligent?

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Intelligence is a trait that hasn't even begun to be characterized properly, as IQ as a metric has clearly been proven to be largely irrelevant in the accurate encapsulation of all the components of intelligence. The tests which are used to calculate these scores are even more uncertain, as most IQ tests have had to have been refined over the years. Even MORE uncertain is all the IQ scores you see attached to famous people online, as these are almost always calculated post-factum, or just straight up wrong, alluding to a lot of "alleged" IQs.

Her IQ is naturally much higher than the IQ of any person in the world. Or cognitive abilities, whatever you want to call it.

Even then, people like Hikaru Nakamura, who scored a 102 on the Mensa Online IQ test (however much weight you would give these online tests comparative to real ones is irrelevant to me, as i consider the very concept to be quite bogus, but it's from the official board, so to claim it isn't substantial is stupid), is literally the 10th ranked highest player in history. Most correlations made between IQ and chess skill have also be repeatedly debunked. This tangent is pointless.

Her IQ is naturally much higher than the IQ of any person in the world. Or cognitive abilities, whatever you want to call it.

This trait is attributed to Ashkenazi Jews, of which there are no explicit records that she was, so your tangent is not only irrelevant but outright incorrect.

I'm afking a lot, and your argument is straight up just leaking into the pretty exhaustive debate on the nature and innateness of intelligence, which i, quite frankly couldn't be bothered to discuss. Either go do something else, or read through and index my points properly before spawning a half-baked refute.

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