LETS GO FNATIC!!!!!! WE IN PLAYOFFS!!
It would be heartbreaking if FNATIC lose to FPX and don't make it and GUILD makes it by beating Liquid. Same shit happened to BDS beat GUILD 2-0 just to face FPX and go out of the tournament. Bring double elim brackets ffs
So fucking true, Guild gonna be the luckiest team ever if they make it twice
The whole group phase is a double elim bracket. What double elim do you want for semifinals ? It's GSL format dumbass.
Dumbass I meant they could just have a normal tournament that plays throughout with double elim like every other region.
This is a normal tournament idiot. It has the GSL format, literally the best format. This is the format that most of the legendary tournaments played on. Groups + playoffs is much better then just having a doubel elim playoffs.
I agree that GSL formal is quite fine, BUT:
Stupid single elimination playoffs in order to qualify for EMEA Finals. I don't think this makes any sense.
As that indian guy said, BDS won Guild in a seeding match, but still faced FPX, the stronger team at that moment, and got eliminated, whereas Guild faced weak Alliance / NiP and easily qualified. It's not fair, isn't it?
It's a dogshit format especially for qualifiers and if you think it's fair then you need help. The format would work if this was the final stage of the tournament and not a qualifier for a bigger tournament.
The seeding fucks everything up, because they placed the top 1 EU quals from challengers 1 & 2 in opposite groups. If they're put in the same group they never face each-other in single-elim finals. Now with how it was, if either of them loses any of their games for any reason they will have to face each other in a single-elim finals. Now you may be saying, that this deserved to happen, because they didn't qualify challengers 1, but obviously those challenger tournaments had poor selection, because they didn't have double-elim brackets like NA does, there were so many upsets and EU is stacked.
Remember, the objective is to select the best two teams. And in this game, prepwork and antistratting play an enormous role. To an extent where the top 1 team can lose a BO3 easily to a top 10 team if caught off guard.
This is not nearly as big of a problem with a regular double elim bracket(also not the same, there is 1 extra game there), like is in NA, Brazil and Japan. That style WILL lead to a higher likelihood of the actual 2 best teams being chosen, because when they eventually do face each-other there is no chance for single elimination, unless they BOTH get dropped in earlier rounds.
GSL is superior for actual tournaments, it's much more exciting and the entire objective is to promote prepwork & volatility. You don't want those format qualities in a major qualifier, nor should they have existed in the regular challengers tournaments as well in my opinion.
The objective is to have the two top teams of this tournament qualify not the two teams you think are top2. If you think FPX should've been in the same group with Fnatic then you seriously need to reassess how you think about tournaments. FPX has the 1st seed so naturally they need to be paired with the lowest seed from EU because that's their advantage. That's why they won Challengers 1 to have an easier group (in theory).
Teams need to demonstrate that they deserve to qualify. You can't just arbitrarily give them an easy path just because they had the best seedings comming out of the qualifiers. That's such a flawed logic i can't even wrap my head around it.
"The objective is to have the two top teams of this tournament qualify not the two teams you think are top2."
What I said was detached from the actual teams going in, or my views of them.
It is highly unlikely both the top 1 and top 2 team get selected in challengers 1, because it doesn't have a losers bracket. So it is much more likely, that the top 1 team gets selected in challengers 1 and the top 2 team gets chosen in challengers 2.
Based on that, it is better to choose the top 1 seed from challengers 1 and the top 1 seed from challengers 2 to face each-other in the same group.
But if that doesn't happen, then the next best decision is to format the challengers finals to be a normal double elimination bracket. It's as simple as that. You are just being very dense now that you're committed to this position. It only makes sense if the best 2 teams are chosen in challengers 1, which is clearly not the case with the way challengers 1 was formatted.
Ok man, you're actually stupid. Why is it much more likely that top1 is from challengers 1 and top2 is from challengers 2? What are you basing this ideea on? Are you just pulling it out of your ass? There is no world in which you can argue that #1 seed from EU should go against #3 seed from EU. That is just idiot.
Yes i agree that the Challengers 1 and 2 should be double elim but other then that the EMEA format is very good.
"Why is it much more likely that top1 is from challengers 1 and top2 is from challengers 2?"
Because there is no double elim in both challengers and the game is heavily centered on antristratting. So there is a high volatility factor, which means both the top 2 teams have to win every game and if they face each-other, one of them is getting eliminated, meaning the actual top 1 and 2 teams are highly unlikely to be chosen in the challengers 1 alone.
What do you think is more likely:
A: Top 1 & 2 teams don't face each-other in an elimination game and proceed to win every single game they play in challengers 1.
B: Top 1 & 2 teams don't face each-other in an elimination game and one of them has an upset game along the way, which causes an elimination. Or top 1 & 2 team face along the bracket of challengers 1.
Very simple question, if your answer is A, then what you are saying makes more sense, if your answer is B, then what I am saying makes more sense. And I agree, none of this would be a significant problem if there were double elim in challengers 1 & 2, like in NA.
But you also have to note, that what you are arguing "for" is not what the actual tournament structure is. Strangely enough, what you would consider the "top 1" seed(fpx) didn't get grouped with the "top 2" seed(guild), they got placed in opposite groups. And this creates more problems, which favor a proper double elim bracket as I suggested.
Double elimination anyone? Fnatic's reward for beating Guild is probably an elimination match vs FPX... if that's not bad tournament structure idk what is
i mean its clearly not the tournaments fault, FPX played like shit and hence they lost, otherwise FPX would have played against the winner of guild/oxg and Fnatic would have played against gambit/liquid, but yeah, its kinda weird that there is double elim in groups and not in playoffs
how many double elimination u want lmao. Double elimination ruins the viewing experience when you know that the game dont really matter, losing have little consequence (just means you have to win one more BO3).
I don't think the FPX - Liquid game was a fluke and think that Fnatic should be able to take this one. If they do win then hell, Fnatic being the #1 team in EU was not something I expected going into the month but I'll take it.
gl to both. sad to lose such teams as an fpx fnatic or gambit for the main event, 2 slots is a joke, should be 4
Gambit = Derke Kryptonite so Ez4gambit
Derke won Gambit in his last Crow Crowd event. And he seems like he improved his game even more. On the other hand Gambit improved too so I want them to win.
I wont predict tho. After Liquid vs FPX game Im done making predictions on EMEA matches
It depends on redgar's performance
If he performs well 2-1 gambit
If he performs bad 2-1 fnatic
Both fnatic and gambit should have been the 2 teams from emea that go to iceland
So many crying fanboys complaining that their team would have moved on if they had been double elimination, this kinda stuff never gets old lol.
In the end, the teams that are in optimal shape for their decisive match win, not the teams that should be there for their past merits and to me it seems quite logical.
You can't blame the tournament format when such teams like Guild/FPX are not able to make it to play-off.
Guild were mentally exhausted after two equal matches against Fnatic and could not properly tune in to the Turks, who in turn did not waste time and did it great.
FPX and ange1 were tactically overmatched by Liquid, and for the decisive match against Gambit they came up with the condition like "oh shit, here we go again". In fact FPX lost to Gambit before the game even started, and while the pick of reyna in any other match might have looked like a tactical move, this time it was more like a death throes .
As a result, today we will see the two strongest teams to represent
And if you read these Rito, get rid of your regional tournaments and make CIS/Turkey participate in the European qualifiers. PLS.
Yeah, we rly need TR and CIS to be part of EU since they can apparently play vs each other pingwise no problem.. and also cuz it's more fun and fair that these regions also gets official matches vs EU teams, not just scrims.
And its also make entire EMEA stronger. Already versatile EU region become even more diverse in tactics and playstyles to be able to beat anything coming their way. Wait may be that was Rito point for NA have better chance to succede?
Liquid looked very bad against BBL. Only after that game they showed some crazy comps and outsmarted FPX.
I think if Liquid had their initial match against Gambit / FPX they would lose (because of how bad they were back then), which would send them to lower bracket and eventually they would have to face Fnatic in order to qualify for Reykjavik.
But they got lucky and played BBL. What can I say, nice seeding from TO...
this might be the worst comment i have read all day. Liquid didnt look bad russ had the games of his life not missing a shot and they still overcame them. At this point liquid can beat any team in a BO3.
Liquid was lucky that they didnt match up against FPX? If you think that Liquid overcame FPX on 5 days of prep alone then that would just mean you are highly overrating FPX.
Do you remember what happened in the second map? Did FPX not get completely crushed by a quite normal comp ON THEIR MAP? Okay maybe FPX got caught offguard in the first map but that was Liquid's map pick. In fact FPX did even WORSE in the map that they chose.
FPX is the worse team and I bet that you didnt even watch the matches...
Feels like Gambit will end Fnatic's honeymoon period right here. Had the same feeling vs FPX.
With the scorelines Gambit have had and the form they've shown, I would not be surprised to see Gambit take this.
The stuff that Fnatic has pulled out so far is literally perfect.
imagine telling someone Fnatic and TL will be in Iceland after challenger 1. No one would have believed u
Magnum is the most underrated player in the world
derke has 2nd ranked acs behind scream in this whole tournament. holy this guys a beast
So glad to see EU doing so well against CIS and TR
When FNATIC win this, it'll confirm that 50% of the EU players at Iceland are from the UK. Something just feels weird with that
Can someone explain why everyone is typing something about "Iceland" i still dont get it
the winner of this match is going to face other regions in Iceland
What are Fnatic doing on bind? They're overconfident in their reads and gambit are playing like jesters.
GGs.. I predicted liquid & fnatic to go to grand final... But not like this...
gg wp. Sad my boys Gambit didnt make it. Especially sad that today we havent seen Sheydos at his usual self. And deffo were at his lowest on Icebox.
Could Fnatic win first international tournament in this game as they did in csgo and league of legends?