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Masters Stage 2 Regional Team Qualification spot's

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#1
Renvas

So the qualification spots for masters have been set and apparently EMEA or "CIS,EU and TR" will have to share two of the spots while "BR" and "NA" gets two?
Not to mention the "JP, KR, LATAM and SEA" Gets one spot each? I do not understand this.. "EU" should have had 2 spots alone and "CIS and TR" one each.
https://gyazo.com/4691e0d4f48d9b49263a40bb3ddade00

Just to give this some more infomation..
EMEA have:
EU: 447.7 million
CIS: 239,7 million
TR: 82 million

Which is 769,4 million for some reason were supposed to share 2 spots in this master?
When both NA and BR gets 2 each?

BR: 209,5 million

NA: 368,8 million

This just doesn't seem fair? not to mention the gaming culture in EU compared to BR maybe not as much NA

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Agreed

#3
PicKaRuu
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Agreed

#4
qnomon
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Brazil has better teams and a most competitive scenario, wait for Gamelanders and MWzera

#5
pampire
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yes but still if you as one country get 2 spots i feel like an entire continent with about 20 countries should get a bit more?

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Renvas
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Thank you! 200 milion in BR and 500 milion entire EU, and not to mention that a bigger procentage of gamers is in EU compared to BR

#8
JhazzFs
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you are right, that was unfair EMEA

#6
Renvas
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Well your biased and seem to not understand the problem..

#10
Adruvi17
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We will see in May...i would like to see balanced matches, the best show and i think 2 spots for brazil is so unfair

#12
JhazzFs
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I find 2 spots for Brazil ok, the problems and there are only 2 vacancies for EMEA, there should be 2 for EU, 1TR, 1 CIS

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Agreed

#11
greedeetv
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In general, I don't know why you would have an event with only 10 teams. 12 and 16 are both better numbers for a tournament, and it seems some regions are underrepresented. I was hoping this event would be a lot bigger in the first place, like doubling all these numbers. Maybe it had something to do with money or COVID.

#14
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I feel like it's because regions like CIS, TR, JP and others dont have as big an influence in the main stage of valorant esports, unlike regions like EU or NA or BR. But i will admit, i dont quite understand wtf is going to happen for the masters bracket if only 10 teams are moving on

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Tira
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Nah bro it's going to be 16 Teams that going to compete in Valorant Champions, first 11 slot is 2 for NA, 2 for EMEA, 2 for BR, 1 JP, 1 KR, 1 LATAM, 2 SEA where point for both Masters 1 & 2 combine count so the teams with most point will fill that 11 slot, 1 slot for the winner of Masters 3 and last but not least is 4 last spot for the one who win Last Chance Qualifier Slots (1 for NA, 1 for EMEA, 1 for SA & 1 for Asia)

i don't know how the Masters 2, Masters 3 and Last Chance Qualifier works so let's just wait and see

#13
zOpek
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Keep Calm;

They (RIOT) have reasons for 2 BR spots.
I THINK BR is a "essencial" region in Valorant scenario... Shooter gaming culture are stronger that soccer, for example. Average of 20 K views in Challengers Qualify Stream. Many world tournaments won, such as Point Blank, CrossFire, Combat Arms, Zula, Assault Fire, Counter-Strike etc. This draws the attention of organizers and sponsors, as well as being a country of (almost) EU size

#15
pampire
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bro.. there are literally three regions and two spots for emea, the one spot from brazil should have been used to allow one player from tr + cis imo.

#17
qnomon
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tr and cis desever one spot each, and total spots to 12.And do not remove a spot from Brazil, watch the vods and research about the history of Brazil in the FPS and you will know why

#16
swaG0x
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I totally agree with you, to be honest im fan of the Brazilian scene, but its really unfair for EU scene (who is the 2nd most watched of valorant).

#18
Philosopher_Stone
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I would just like to know what was Riot’s philosophy when making these distributions.

If it was viewership, then how come TR just has 1 slot? They have been the second most watched region overall.

If it was player base, why does BR has 2 slots? EU definitely has more players than BR.

Either way, I am hoping riot will clarify everything in the upcoming days..

#19
kocunar
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TR doesn't even have one slot, EU/TR/CIS have 2 slots all together, that is the problem.

#20
Philosopher_Stone
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Yes I am aware. But still, according to view count they should have enough to be it’s own region

#22
Muratbal1m
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I guess you haven't seen vct TR views. BBL esports was watched live in the Playoffs for 56k. I can't imagine the finals

#24
Philosopher_Stone
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What do you mean? That’s is exactly what I said! According to viewership, turkey should have enough to be its own region, since it is the second most watched region overall.

#25
Muratbal1m
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I mean why TR doesn't get 1 slot ? that is the problem

#21
Muratbal1m
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Yeah , why TR doesn't have slot ? 1 slot is enough but have not

#23
Ashes
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it should absolutely not be based off of the population of the region, that isn't a good argument

take LoL as an example, south korea has a population of 50 million, yet it was the strongest region for most of the games existance and still is the second strongest despite being smaller population-wise than almost all of the other regions (in fact, i believe out of the 12 regions in LoL south korea, despite having one of the biggest playerbases, has the second smallest population (smallest is oceania))

what it SHOULD be based off of imo is the size of the playerbase and the skill level of the teams (though this is hard to judge, obviously)

i think the best route would've probably been to have 2 spots for eu, 1 for russia 1 for turkey with 12 teams total. brazil, na and eu each getting 2 would be entirely fine, it's the fact that russia and turkey get lumped in that's the problem especially since the teams from those regions aren't likely to beat out the top of the top of eu, meaning they get no representation at all meanwhile teams from arguably weaker regions get a spot at masters

#26
kocunar
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I think everyone when they are talking about population, they mean population of the playerbase. They dont think that India should be getting 4 slots.

#27
Ashes
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the OP literally listed the populations of those places as their main argument

#28
Renvas
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Im not basing it on the amount of people that exist in diffrent countries but on the account that there is more players in EU which is due to the FPS culture.. ex: FPS games in EU compared to Asia is insanely diffrent but when it comes to league of legends their MOBA Culture is also diffrent which creates more players for them then eu.. Even that there is such a big gap of people in both regions.
Its just that if a specific cluture has a bigger population and loves FPS or MOBA ofcs their population will make a diffrence.. Both in playerbase and viewship

And i completly agree with this
"i think the best route would've probably been to have 2 spots for eu, 1 for russia 1 for turkey with 12 teams total. brazil, na and eu each getting 2 would be entirely fine, it's the fact that russia and turkey get lumped in that's the problem especially since the teams from those regions aren't likely to beat out the top of the top of eu, meaning they get no representation at all meanwhile teams from arguably weaker regions get a spot at masters"

#29
greedeetv
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Ok, let's phrase this different: There's only 10 spots for the Masters event. Which regions should get a cut?

(Assuming 2 EU, 1 TR, 1 CIS)

#30
greedeetv
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I, personally, completely biased for NA would initially think "oh, we can just remove one spot from EU and BR problem solved!" But then those player bases would be mad. Either way someone is mad.

#33
hekzy
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dude 1 spot for EU/CIS/TR is insanely little. Considering EMEA is the most populous region. Definitely take one from BR. Whole SA has 3 spots while whole Eu and NA have 2 each. Like... bruh what was riot thinking

#34
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What I was trying to phrase is that they WANTED 16 spots, and WANTED a bigger event, but they had to settle for only 10 teams and some had to be cut. What I was trying to suggest was that there should be 3 EU/TR/CIS and 1 BR (just for this event, not the future).

#35
hekzy
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+1

#31
Fat_Lard
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Honestly I think they should make it 16 teams with 4 NA teams, 3 EU, 2 BR, 1 JP, 1 KR, 1 SEA, 1 OCE, 1 LATAM, 1 TR, 1 CIS. Or Maybe you give 1 slot to OCE/SEA and give 2 to TR in this case but idk. The bigger the tournament is, the more likely an underdog wins, which are always the most memorable, but also the less inclusive or rewarding it is to make it there. 16 is a perfect number for a bracket and would allow for more regions to be better represented. Also maybe you could take away a NA slot and give another slot to TR in the scenario given but the NA scene is the biggest in terms of orgs and viewership and I have a bias towards more NA teams so idk. I'm assuming with 10 teams, they will have 2 groups of 5 play and then the top 2 teams from each group advance to a bracket which should be good as well.

#32
xLinksz
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EMEA is a lie, in the end they will qualify two from Europe. Turkey and CIS do not have a chance, at most some CIS team can eliminate by surprise an important European but nothing more.

Anyway, Europe has 2 spots like NA and Br and I think it's good because they are the 3 strongest scenes.

#36
FIreFistOM
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btw i heard first strike turkey had second highest viewership.... and always see comments like "BBL>all" and stuff everywhere by thier supporters, so much that valorant eu twitch channel has banned word BBL from chat... so they have no chance... and are these people are just hardcore fans from them?...

#37
xLinksz
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There are a lot of Turks playing valorrant, but they still don't have the level of Europe. Maybe in the future yes, but today they are 3 steps below Europe and 1 below CIS.

So yes, those people are just big fans and there is nothing wrong with that, it is just not objective and does not agree with the level of the region.

#38
Renvas
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Agree, But i must say that the turks are growing rapidly in skill and fanbase..

#39
Muratbal1m
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I dont think like you. Some turkish teams have the level of europe. But Turkish teams are not given a chance. Turkish teams still have a chance to get 1 out of 2 slots

#40
xLinksz
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I hope you are right and the one who is wrong is me, it would make qualifying much more fun. In any case, good luck to your region, hopefully give a fight

#45
Muratbal1m
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Thank you. I am agree with you

#41
can10combr
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I agree with you about viewership is not enough to get spots. But you're so badly mistaken about the levels of regions. Turkey might be below Europe but 3 steps? You'll be very surprised when they face each other in masters. :) I can accept that in general, there are more A class teams in Europe, but that makes mostly 1 step difference. At this point I guarantee you, EU is already 1 step ahead whole world.

About CIS, man I pretend I didn't hear that and move on.

Guys, what do you really think about Riot's decisions reasons? Some bullshit comparisons about regions which have never faced each other? Viewerships? Even from marketing perspective, there are no logics here. We all think almost same, at least we have empathy. I don't want to hear anything more from our side. I really want to understand what THEY think...

#42
Yugure
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I agree, I think the two vacancies for "BR" and "NA" are fair, but I don't understand the reason why "EU" will have to share the vacancies with "TR" and "CIS". It doesn't make sense to join NA + BR, as both are large enough to fit all of Europe in them, in addition to the geographic distance, but TR / CIS / EU having to share 2 places is unfair.

#43
greedeetv
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If Riot only had 10 spots to give out, this would probably be the best decision. Sure it isn't fair, but nothing else would be. The alternatives are removing one from brazil and giving one to eu/tr/cis, but I think this is better because the best two teams from that region will be there anyways.

#44
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I just want to say, some top Turkish teams can easily take out top 8 eu teams. I personally would say BBL is a top 5 eu team, below g2 and above fnatic. Futbolist also has a lot of potential, we saw what they can do against NIP.

#46
Olofboost
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South America 3 slots
EMEA 2 slots
North America 2 slots

Nice joke Riot, keep it up

#47
Cheasle2
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it should be 16 teams. Solves all the problems.

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