A mix of both honestly. Do you remember the clip of devi1ce saying some pr shit to some investors of something where he said something along the lines of that NiP is miles ahead of astralis? A clip that should have never been used but somehow landed on Nips social media. He got a lot of hate for it and his old team mates replied boken hearths or something. Thats just out of memory.
The situation with anonymo durring flashpoint 3 was also awfully handled by the org, which also resultued in a lot of hate towards dev1ce. Then he had with some bum academy player all the time while they were finding a new player.

The benching situation was also badly handled. No updates what so ever. They probably didnt want to continue with him durring the last few months and just tried to sell him. I think he would have played, you cant tell me that device rather wants to play faceit all day for a fraction of his sallery when he could play on big stages for a high amount of money.

"fuck off." What the hell did i do to your ass? I just thought you just never watched CS and i tried to inform you, how am i supposed to know what esports you follow, do i know you? Why do you insult me?

I will give you that. Even though i think their culture is a bad influence on others. Should have expended on that point.

Look up the interview with Luis Miraa. He aluded to the fact that his stomach condition kicked in during that time.

Never mind just saw that you are trolling, some of that shit is funny tho.

Sure, they handled their team bad, but nothing immoral has happened here, they just suck and do not know how to run an esports team, just like NA CS orgs.

What am i supposed to do? Look that shit up and then come back, am i a news site or an encyclopedia?

I come from CS, so i only know what they did there, but it always has been their flagship title. Back when CS:GO came out the org decided to make a swedish super team that dominated the early days of counter strike. Fifflaren (A player from that era) later held an interview about all the stuff the org did to them and what kind of assholes work there as the staff. (To much to talk about, just watch the interview)

Back when that Fifflaren guy retired, they essentially did what Astralis has been doing for the last few years, which is abusing their name to sign naive players to shitty contracts and tank their entire career.

The latest scandal has been when they made their big block buster move when they signed Dev1ce, the most successful CS:GO super star of all time from astralis. Oh man, it is so much to talk about. It essentially ended in the fact that dev1ce benched himself due to mental heath (and now we know also physical health since he always had a condition that got worse with stress, and NiP put him under a lot of stress), then rotting on their bench for 10 months until he was just recently bought out by astralis again.

This List is not about how successful the org is, it is how inmoral their behavior has been.

• TSM: Reginald is one of the OG assholes in Esports. From the Leena scandal, all the way back when they fucked over their CS team (who just made their own org and became the best of all time) Just a clown org.
• FaZe: Their culture, all the scandals, just a really shady organisation
• NiP: What they did to legendary players, (like not allowing them to have a girlfriend) their consistent pr bs, how they handeled the Dev1ce situation
• Astralis: Probably the worst organisation in the history of esports that actually is (or rather was) really successful
• T1: Also have been involved in some really shady shit

Which team would you add??

Good list but imo you really underrate Chronicle considering he was the best player in the world in late 2021.

People always seem to talk about how yay has either incredible aim, or how he shows insane game sense in certain scenarios, but imo one of the biggest strengths of yay is that he does close to no mistakes. When have you ever seen that guy overpeek? When he repeaks it is usually a risk that is worthwhile taking. Now, this could be the case because yay is to passive, but his impact and his kills speak for it self. This paired with his consistency makes him the dream of a coach, since you will always get a certain value out of him, no matter his day to day form and it also ensures economical stability since the op is really expensive.

This is also especially incredible if you consider the fact that he HAS to get very high value as an oper, since a oper who doesnt kill is wasted money. If a rifler overpeeks it is far less devastating than if a oper overpeeks.

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Ha! Manlet, i am 5´11.

How can people think that player x is past their prime when the game is only 2 years old?

How can you say that somebody is past their prime when the game is like 2 years old?

No order

1. Yay (Best player for the longest period of time)
2. TenZ (Sry boys but he is the face of Valorant, period)
3. nAts (Revolutionised the way his role was played, and kinda open peoples eyes on the fact that a star player doesnt have to be a duelist)
4. Sacy (Face of Brazilian Valorant)
5. Ardiis ( People might not know this, but back in Beta people talked about him as the best player in the world, he was part of that G2 lineup that dominated the early days of EU Valorant, and has been very very good this year.
6. The entire old SEN roster probably cuz of the impact they had on valorant
7. Stax (Face of Korean Valorant and DRX)
8. Chronicle ( Best player in the world at the end of 2021)
9. FNS ( Best IGL)
10. Boaster (Just impact on the scene really)
11. Derke (One of the best players in the world, might become the best player in the world one day)
12. cNed (Looked like the best player from EMEA for a long time and is a world champion)

Imagine thinking that a 20 year old is past his prime cuz he didnt have an insane year. This guy is delusional.

Honestly it is really hard to talk to you since you seem to take this kinda personal. I just wanted to hear a different perspective and tried to discuss this conversation further, but honestly it is just not possible with you.

From what i have played League is just a easier Dota. I played that game for around 1k hours. So i think i know a bit about Mobas. The issue for me is that s1mple is the goat of CS WHILE every single metric was against him. He always had to to play with shit players in a shitty enviorment, against the greatest team of all time, had his peak when there were no majors, has been in the conversation for best player in the world for 6 years, and has improved every single year. Now while his country gets invaded, his family is endangered, and he hasnt seen his home for over half a year, there still isnt even a debate on who will be the best player of 2022.

The enviorment he has been in has been so unbelievably bad, that it is even unreal that he is in the conversation of being the best CS:GO player, but he puts everybody to shame. Which is just unreal to me. There has never been somebody who had so many odds stacked against him and still is that good, i am sorry, but in this aspect Faker doesntn come close. Thats like Jordan, who was called the best even back when he never won a title.

"he hates on DRX" Lmao hahahaha

So when i do not suck DRX dry like everybody else and point out that they might have some issues i am a hater. Sure m8.

No Zywoos peak aint better than s1mple wtf.

He has good aim, and? This could make you the best awper but this alone doesnt make you the best rifler. He aint even in the top 3 of french scene in CS:GO. KennyS, Shox and Zywoo are and were all better. RPK was literally the greatest source player and NBK is also a contender since he is the complete package.

Yeah and he aint even a top 5 rifle player of all time. NiKo, Shox, Get right, f0rest, Neo, Coldzera are all above him.

Dev1ce?? How come?

Best of all time =/= greatest of all time.

Yeah, i just talk about raw skill.

Yeah sure, but what makes you say that he is better than s1mple? He plays a far easier game, a game which also didnt have much history around it back then, and had a good team. S1mple on the other hand played with 3 bot team mates and sometimes even beat the greatest team of all time. He has only been improving over the years, and already got his goat status in CS long before he even won his major.

Missed the entire point of the threat. I talk about most skilled player, not who is the goat.

Flash?

Accomplishments aside, why would you put Faker above s1mple?

Do a top 5 of the best gamers of all time according to you.

nAts and Nukkye are pretty good friends it seems.

Remember how cracked he was in 2021? I think he deserves a shot in franchising

Mixwell is a solid player which who can bring a lot of stability and experience to a team. Issue is that he aint as individually strong as other player who play similar roles. I am hoping that we will see him on a different role.

What are they up to? Is there a single rumor about them? Like i would guess that Giants is going to keep Fl1tinio, but other than that no player will probably stay in the team.

I made it up

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Like, half of the teams that got through do not even have a team with a single top player. Sure, NaVi will probably sign the former FPX lineup. But teams like KOI, Heretics, Vitality, Karmine Corp, Giants and the turkish lineups have close to one top players. Players like M1xwell, Nukkye, Hoddy, Redgar, Chronicle, Nats, Sheydos, Leo, Cned, Zeek, Straxo, Cloud, Twisten, Koldamenta, Bonecold are pretty much left for the grab.

Victor is overrated imo. Same as crashies.

First of all, you mean NA free agents. Second, Babybay only 4?

With the fact that Heretics and Giants making it into franchising all signs point to the fact that G2 will be in NA next year. Meaning less NA orgs will be in Valorant.
With the speculation that Optic wont make it into franchising do you think that G2 might snitch away the optic lineup?

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Most underrated pro rn?

Who are the Aliens of Valorant? Just the players that are so far ahead of their competition? Do these players even exist yet? In CS:GO the players that are just above the rest if it comes to skill are the likes of S1mple, ZywOo and NiKo. I feel like the top top players are really close to each other in Valorant, there are, at least at this point in time, no players that clearly stand above the rest.

https://twitter.com/chloe_hime7/status/1565060393227407360

Hahahaha wtf xD
It seems like Valorant players have adapted to the core principles of Valorant by also being a CS GO knockoff themself.

Carlos doesnt care at this point. He will give 1 Million to bleed just for the sake of it.

Carlos is probably about to take out his money canon again, only to lose 0-3 in a grand final again.

Did Valorant made you more or less interested in CS:GO? I mean, i would guess that quiet a few people that never played cs:go went like: ,,Oh there is an even more hard core version of this game? With a more established scene and decades of history? I might check this one out!" I mean CS:GO´s numbers have been on the rise ever since Valorant came out.

Everything in the rulebook is fair game, the people that complain are just mad that their favorite team got antistrated. A team like Astralis got antistrated by the entire scene for the entirety of their era in CS:GO, they still won since they were just the best, that was amazing to see and i hope that one day there will be a Val team close to that.