Why America's teams so washed out(except loud)

#44

dapada

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KOI beats NAVI and BBL took a map off of FNC

GE and RRQ have close games with DRX

your point?

#45

Manaphy

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Fnatic had a sub

#47

1cameh

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that's when KOI weren't trolling and NAVI were trolling

FNC had a sub, + BBL is good people just don't realize

DRX haven't been as consistently good since adding in Foxy9, and both GE and RRQ have had meteoric rises in form

your arguments are fundamentally flawed brother

#48

dapada

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So if its Americas, they are good because they went toe-to-toe against LOUD in a fucking group stage? And if its EMEA and APAC, they are bad because X team trolling/X team had a sub/X team have had meteoric rises in form?

Have you ever considered that LOUD might be trying some stuff knowing that they are already playoff-bound? <-- my point

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1cameh

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and I quote: "Americas other than LOUD is weak"

that is a similar claim but not the same as "LOUD is trying some stuff", so don't try to backtrack on your original claim

i also never claimed anything about LOUD or other Americas teams. I was disputing your points about EMEA/APAC. don't put words in my mouth

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dapada

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bro disputing points without context, not going to argue further

#65

1cameh

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"he refuted my points with logic, and I don't have the intelligence to refute his, so I'm going to ad hoc him and 'win'. got him"

#66

dapada

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took you long enough to come up with this, you seem smart enough to understand the importance of context in a conversation

#68

1cameh

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not on this forum often enough to hold a consistent debate

regardless, this discussion is pointless. the only point I was debating was your argument that EMEA/APAC had close games between presently high and low seeds due to there being a similar level of team across the regional board. i never made a claim about LOUD - point being, context can be crucial to a conversation, but in this case, I came in to debate you solely on your perspective on EMEA/APAC, not Americas.

if we want to get into that - EMEA>Americas>APAC when it comes to team quality, Americas inconsistent as fuck (NRG and Cloud9 are on the up, LOUD is undefeated but look shaky in every win), EMEA teams are semi-consistent, but top teams seem to show greater consistency (FNC, FUT, Giants before yesterday), APAC... after this morning, I don't know what to think