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Top 10 most overrated players

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#161
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I can just repeat myself: steel and nitr0 left the org with only two days in between. That is -in my opinion- the same time. If two days make such a huge difference in your mind I will accept that now.
Also they only lost to Rise and C9 in the LCQ if I remember correctly with C9 being the only NA team to reach playoffs later at champions. It was disappointing they didn't get a spot for champions but in my opinion losing to C9 and Rise and winning against GenG and XSET was still a good performance for a team with a substitute and recent role changes.

#165
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it was double elimination so they lost to rise and cloud9 iirc. the point is they weren't up to date and yes the synergy was broken, you just admitted my point lol in your last line.

#171
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Yeah I just said that they lost to Rise and C9.
I don't think you get my point. I always agreed that they fell apart after steels departure. But I don't think that proofs that steel is a worldclass igl. Without steel they've only played 4 vct matches before making more changes (departure of steel, nitr0, b0i and dicey) where they won against GenG and XSET and lost to Rise and C9. That's still a very decent performance. If you think that a team after a roster and also role changes immediately has to be as strong as before, than that's where we disagree. I think that if they would've benched Hiko, Asuna, Ethan or nitr0 instead of steel the team would have still not been able to qualify for champions. Because roster changes always make things difficult.

#172
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That's still an alright performance but without steel's evidential contribution to the teams ideas they clearly aren't world class. It's literally logical to induce that considering they haven't made any world class events, they are missing a world-class igl and that was him. A world-class igl does not mean the best in the world, it means capable of competing at a world level, which steel evidently did, taking down arguably two of the most influential and dominating teams in one tournament.

#174
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You put that in your first post and we're fine. I actually thought for a moment that you think a team losing after a roster change would be a bad thing. But you clearly showed good arguments why steel is a world-class igl in your last post. I totally agree to that. I just still don't think that 100T falling apart after his departure proofs anything.

#175
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props for admitting that :D

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