I didn't see nor engage in any of these threads. Not surprised they existed, vlr is full of overreact oswalds. I can't comment if these were from SEN fans or agreed upon by majority of SEN fans. What I do know is that the positions and playstyles of Sacy and Tenz are vastly different and I think Tenz is encouraged to be proactive, which can account for some weaker score lines when those plays don't pan out., while Sacy being on skye and sova has to play a lot more conservative in his approaches for how SEN approaches their retakes and entry positions. Sacy while not top fragging has provide so many impact frags that effect rounds on loses and wins, and I agree should be credited more with his role in the team. Stats I consider to be lackluster in the aspect of judging a player's complete performance on a map, and anyone using those as a sole justification for singling out a players performance whether that be a fan or an outsider should maybe adjust how they view and think of the game. If you have seen the impact and come to your own conclusion that these players are solid then that's all you need, fans of a team rely on and sometimes need the copium (myself included, C9 could make a run but will likely be mid table) and sometimes you gotta just smile at a fan base and carry on.