Kickoff-Wise:

1. NRG
2. G2
3. MIBR
4. Sentinels
5. LEV
6. KRU (if Less is confirmed)
7. NV (really depends on their final roster, can legit go from 6th to 9th)
8. 100T
9. LOUD

All Potential Man Teams

10. EG
11. Furia
12. C9

My account was made 2 years ago vs yours that was made this year? who really started watching this year?

So answer the question I'm asking you??? LMAO ALL YOU CAN SAY IS SOMETHING RACIST 0/8 no flagging mf, typical prx fan with 0 stars too, it literally cannot get any worse than this, maybe you're a zellsis word on top of that.

Literally any team would try to go for aspas even if he has a bad year lmao

Who tf is this rookie you are talking about here??? Writing was so bad it made me think you were blabbering about Kaajak lmfao and you calling me dumb no flag Prx fan LMAOOOOOOOOO.

Why would we ever consider 6th man here... he didn't even play the game...

Leo? Chronicle? Alfa? Derke? They were rookies?

Even in 25 Chronicle is still a rookie? Crashies is a rookie? Alfa is a rookie?

Also "train him" is a crazy statement when Kaajak was still the best in tier 2 under Molsi out of all IGLs lmfao

2024 NRG had no good duelist player and Ethan proved that it was his team's fault after his masterclass calling this year lmao. Plus he never says "no good IGL" he says "no igl".

Saadhak doesn't have a good team to lead? Legit the only consistently good player on that team is Suygetsu lmfao put Boaster on the current KC roster and he wouldn't get to a single LAN or regional grand final. Also unlike T1, FNC didn't have internal issues in 2023, FNC wouldn't have gotten anywhere if Derke crashed out there instead of VIT.

Optic and Loud isnt superteam lmao

OPTIC was already known as the NA superteam from 2021 with envy and the loud roster was already the best in Brazil before getting signed to LOUD lmao 0/8

Saadhak hasn't had a half decent team since LOUD while Boaster has had some of the best players in the world on his team every year and FNC was also never to be seen in Bangkok either so idk what your Toronto comment is supposed to imply.

OPTIC and LOUD were both considered superteams that FNS and Saadhak both lead to a trophy + the best yearly performance of all time, Stax lead the Korean T1 superteam to a trophy too, Gambit was considered the Russian superteam in 2021 and some people even considered FPX the European powerhouse/superteam that Ange1 lead to a trophy.

This was the first bo5 that babybay played against NRG btw

Rookies who were unproved against players who were already known to be the best + saadhak has tried to put phoenix onto every single comp since 24

"No igl" for NRG 24 like Ethan didn't go on to win a trophy as IGL with an actual duelist player.

"No igl" for VIT 25 like Unfake wasn't an IGL and they had internal problems still lmfao

Has had some of the best players itw for every single year in franchising and some people still thinking that Boaster is not getting carried

Rosters not finished yet + pretty sure fennel wanted to keep aace for RBHG

https://www.vlr.gg/493056/ewc-is-an-s-tier-tournament
https://www.vlr.gg/513176/why-people-thin-ewc-is-mickey
https://www.vlr.gg/514506/ewc-is-not-a-mickey
https://www.vlr.gg/509199/ewc-value
https://www.vlr.gg/513140/stop-calling-ewc-micky-mouse

Now where's your proof that you are in the majority again?

the majority of my region does not take ewc seriously…

Yeah and the majority of your fanbase are TH/FNC fans who glazed them being in the top 2 as a success. 0/8

??????

We are taking about the status/ranking it gives not the fucking money lmao, jumping into something without knowing anything is crazy.

Your region is not the same as your opinion lmfao, you can generalize something if the majority agrees with it, the majority being your region (not only you btw) took EWC seriously. This is like saying "omg brazil isn't toxic!!!" when there is like one Brazilian fan not being toxic lmfao.

You don't need to be an ascension team to be a tier 2 team what the fuck are you saying lmfao

So we seriously thinking that C9 is even a relatively good tier 1 team? like I said before half of the teams in tier 2 NA would 2-0 them.

You are also not the majority lmfao there were more people in your region taking EWC seriously than the people who weren't.

So we js ignoring that KlanNaLan qualified over KPI, UCAM, and Ramboot??? (tier two teams btw). Also we ignoring that Eintracht is a tier 2 team too??? 0/8

And how tf does this have anything to do with what I just said???

We are saying this like C9's team even deserves tier 1 lmfao half of the NA tier 2 teams would be better than them.

if you look at emea T2 teams none of them was playing random emea t5 team's

These "random emea t5 teams" won their region's qualifiers and also beat other tier 2 EMEA teams?????

Your region was taking EWC pretty seriously for a while...

2 Americas teams qualified from play-ins and no EMEA teams won the play-ins?

We gon be putting ZETA up there now

Ngl probably the root cause of the drama in liquid but lowk completely valid, if I couldn't play the roles I'm best at and my flex player can't flex then I would crash out too.

It was more that Liquid roles are shit asf, why are we putting serial and trexx on off-roles when they have a literal flex player...

Ardiis probably not coming back, js pick up Izzy and Spear with the rest of them

I repeat any decent T1 pro in that g2 system would have performed well

They are looking for more vibes than actual aim and plus like you said the skill is already there in the G2 system. It's the same when Zellsis replaced Pancada, people thought SEN were crazy until they won a trophy...

Because tier 2 is the base and structure of their most profitable scene of franchising? You can say the same thing about tier 1 lol, why are they spending this much money on GC when they could be spending it on tier 1 which gets way more viewers and brings in much more profit than GC does…

Right message, terrible execution, terrible messenger

Yeah I wasn’t talking about the prize cut because that’s a lot lmao just the second idea was pretty good.

The same team that went 0-4 after qualifying btw and also the same team that got whopped in relegation, also we are saying them beating TSM was a good feat when TSM was throwing the game and they still somehow almost managed to lose... Did we even watch the same game?

https://www.vlr.gg/event/2301/challengers-2025-north-america-ace-stage-1/closed-qualifier

Let's fucking read what it says under both Flyquest and SRG, does it say premier??? IT SAYS "INVITED" HOW STUPID CAN WE BE????? They just completely skipped pass the open qualifiers lmfao.

Pacific 2024 Ascension alone HAD

• Predator
• intel
• Ergonoz
• Imperial World
• Novotel Bangkok Bangna
• Steelseries
• Syndome
• TTRacing
• WD_BLACK
• ZOWIE

Their prize pool is still 100k btw...

congrats you still haven't proven the viewbotting thing

So we just ignoring the image now? lmfao

Also i dont think GC is being overfunded, tier2 is just being underpaid

I mean I kind of disagree with this statement, there's nothing you can really say that justifies GC having a prize pool that matches a master's prize pool. Also the fact that they can afford these big venues and has amazing production for GC while they make excuses about not having enough funds for tier 2 is just crazy imo.

Lowk #19 has a good take about what should happen with the system, gives teams an actual incentive to competing and getting better. But also riot has already kind of tried this and it hasn't worked out (SRG going into tier 2) which can be for a number of reasons but imo the main reason is that they js don't care enough about tier 2 and can get paid better in GC (they aren't trying to get better so the skill gap is massive).

oh wow you are underplaying GCs success by using average viewership 😲😲

How am I underplaying GC's success again????? Average viewership is a better indicator of people who actually watch the games lmfao. If a scene had a crazy amount of viewers for one game but terrible viewership for the rest of the games are you really doing to say that it's a better scene than one that has the same peak viewership but better views on other games? braindead take after braindead take lmfao. Also we do realize that GCC incentivizes people to watch it with drops too, where are those drops in tier 2?

also your viewbotting claim has 0 proof and i feel like you just hate GC

https://imgur.com/a/khcJ26I

LMFAO THAT LAST STATEMENT JUST SAY YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO ADD IN LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Yes and GCC is an international event with every single region involved, if you want to take that statistic then you need to consider every region's ascension lmfao which peak viewers adds up to around the same amount. If you want to be a dumbass and not look at an official website for average viewers I will do it for you.

GCC averaged 124k viewers while ascension averaged over 150k+ viewers and that's being generous since we aren't even counting China's viewership either lmao.

https://www.vlr.gg/481260/vct-americas-account-viewbotting/#1

Also there is this from a while back which I find ironic since you're bringing viewership into this

So first of all, this has nothing to do with your previous statement, and second GC is not helping bring women into the tier 2/tier 1 scene currently lmfao. Everyone right now have zero reason to leave or get better than they currently are in GC.

im sure GC has way more sponsors for the actual tournament compared to ascension finals that barely gets any good viewership numbers

This is a crazy statement as GCC in 2024 has basically the same peak viewership as all of the ascensions and has less average viewers as them (btw this was the same year where we had like 9 hour tech pauses too in EMEA and Americas).

How tf does this have anything to do with what the post is about 😭

They have the funds to even get a song while they supposedly don't have the funds to get a better production team for tier 2?

neon acted as a nuisance with its movement and everyone said it

Then surely the 5 other teams that "abused" neon better should've had better placements than EDG...

Also we saying this like KangKang wasn't top 2 on Jett for the amount of rounds he played, Miniboo on the other hand...

Prime edg had prime neon

While Kangkang wasn't even top 5 in stats with neon, 0/8

Has way too much funding for something that's supposed to be a space that non male players can build up their skills to bring them to tier 2/tier 1. Right now the salaries and prize pools of Game Changers is higher than some regions in tier 2 which is crazy because this isn't encouraging anyone to join tier 2/tier 1, it just keeps them in a bubble that people have no incentive to move out of.

Additionally, no shot GCC can drop a band and get one of the most popular K-Pop groups to make a song solely for it while tier 2 is still struggling with venue and production problems...

Relocate a lot of the GC funds to tier 2, GC is supposed to be a place where non male players can build up skills for tier 2/tier 1 and not chill for their entire career.

Why are we hating them when they were the second most consistent team this year?