Valorant ESPORTS decline

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JJfriends

https://www.dexerto.com/valorant/valorant-champions-2023-group-stage-draws-lowest-viewership-in-event-history-2248657/

If u don't wanna read viewership is down like 20%. Bring back OPTIC?

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No Sentinels
No OpTic
No Clown9

(no koi no karmine i guess? not familiar with other region cloutfarmers)

What does Liot Lames expect

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FRANCHISING IS SO GOOD AND COMPETITIVE!
Team about to win 3 events in a row!
Yay doesn't have a roster spot but bots like Ardiis get paychecks for going negative on chamber and jett

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yay is tier 2 - ardiis is tier 1 import from emea ofc they gonna pay the breedingbull the big bucks?

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Even you don't believe Fardiis is better than Yay
"semicute_eboy"
literally boosted by his team while yay has to carry a guy -22 on raze and neon 😭
https://www.vlr.gg/112334/optic-gaming-vs-funplus-phoenix-valorant-champions-tour-stage-2-masters-copenhagen-lbf

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i dont know what to tell you , there is a reason why ardiis is getting payed money to play the game but yay isnt and its not because ardiis is "boosted"

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0/8

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nah bro just wait for 2024 , yay is for sure gonna come back at the age of 25-26 after a 1 year break from pro play and perform , na scrims+radiant soloq=tier 1 international team tournament standard of skill

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Yay couldve not played val for the entire year and he still would come back better than ardiis

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next ur telling me shroud gonna enter proplay again

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Yay is gonna become EU's father again

continue thread →

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This is what happens when you franchise a game 3 years into It.

Valorant is dying, even the player base was cutted in half.

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2022 was prime year for valorant this year is very ambiguous

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Not looking great... Those stats are bound to be down though. Last two Champs were in Europe, where timezones permit both the Western and Eastern hemispheres to watch the games at least to some extent. In the case of LA, EU and APAC viewers basically can't watch the last game, so if you take that in to account, it's not a bad number at all

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APAC CANT EVEN WATCH THE FUCKING GAMES
I HATE BALD EAGLE COUNTRY

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I mean all of NA, SA, and EU couldn't watch Japan either and this wasn't much of a problem

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Not a problem, no, but if you look at the viewership it's much lower than this current Champions, and even it was considerably higher than the previous Masters event, which was Copenhagen in 2022.

Masters Tokyo:
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2023-masters-tokyo-valorant

Masters Copenhagen:
https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/vct-2022-stage-2-masters-copenhagen

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“An important caveat to note is that viewers from Chinese streaming services are not accounted for as these platforms do not show the number of people who are tuned in.”

”This is especially noteworthy as Chinese Valorant is enjoying its most successful international run, with EDward Gaming and Bilibili Gaming both making the playoffs”

Fake outrage.

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Last year didn't have Chinese viewership either no?

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I don’t think any of these reports include viewership numbers from china. Now that the game is fully released in that region, Riot is probably doing a lot of marketing, inlduding the VCT. I’d assume there is a lot of new viewers, especially since billibilli is in playoffs and they are probably promoting it on their site

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300k + cn viewers watch edg matches on their website .... Esportscharts says that edg / blg matches get like 400k viewers but if u add cn streaming sites then it will be 700-800k . Basically Chinese matches get the most viewers along with loud matches

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Not that many people in china watching this shit probably

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Considering the game just came out over there and two teams are in playoffs, I’d be willing to bet there is a lot of interest.

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I'd be willing to bet nobody cares and theyre using 2 hours that they get daily to play games on League or pubg not valorant

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Right, quick look at your constant slander of anything to do with china or Chinese players tells me you don’t really care regardless

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No one = 400k people

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You'd be wrong. Even if we can't see their exact viewer counts; you can compare champions heat metric to the heat metric of other well watched events like the LPL. There are plenty of people watching.

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But we are measuring the drop in non-chinese viewership.
Why bring in chinese viewership when thats not the topic ?

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eggsalt

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I literally just quoted from the article that this thread is the topic of?

Hello?

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Idk why people are upvoting you. Chinese viewership is NEVER accounted for in these reports.

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guess you didn’t read the article lmao

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hekzy

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Go to escharts and come back when you find a Chinese viewership tab.

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Go read the article and come back to me when you actually read the article…
If you read the article you wouldn’t be asking me why I brought up Chinese viewership.

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I read it, it's the same for every esport. WAKE THE FK UP.

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its because of timezones. majority of games are at awkward times for both Pacific and Emea viewerbases. i can only ever watch the first match of the day because the second and third are always too late.

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why is it always timezones 😭 shitty ass excuse

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if i wasnt a neet i would not watch any match tbh just perma host tournaments in katowice or cologne or some shit , huge arenas with good esports history and production

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bonkashi

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if only the berlin studio had a bigger capacity so theyd have an excuse to hold them there constantly

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i assume its riot holding the tournaments , why cant they just host in same spots where they have held worlds? insane arenas with insane potential and im rather sure they can hold a metric fuckton of ppl + asian countries are insane spectators for any team playing imo probably best crowd there is

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different production team. i'm sure the got some pride to make their own footprints instead of following LoL's foot

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I mean Japan had worse watch times for both EU and NA, and this wasn't a problem

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NA teams fell off lmao when the event is held in NA . It's sad really had thus been in EU or asia viewers would be better. The solution is simple tbh 100t buys the guard and sentinels buy EG roster lol

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We need NPC tiktoks next to the stream to pay attention

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hekzy

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Gang gang yum so sweet

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the timezones are terrible

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Should have hosted it at EU, EU timezone is the best 🗿

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yeah next year should be a EU tour or even apac because NA people will 100% stay up to watch NRG core or sen lmfao

but ig not

we need barcelona paris london events

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2021 and 2022 champs were held in Berlin/Istanbul, those timezone r more suited for ALL 3 region viewers to watch. Holding event in USA will resulted in less views from Asia in which JP viewers carried a significant portion. If champions are held in Europe next year, it will guarantee have more overall viewers guarantee.

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They need more clout teams

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From group stage: "English and Japanese broadcasts — the viewership for these languages decreased by 35% and 39%, Portuguese viewers grew by 55%"

Now the main question is: How many viewers from all Chinese channels? There should be a lot, no?

Here's the report from EsportCharts themselves (Dexerto's claimed source): https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2023-valorant

And the main page of the tournament, but you'd need subscription to get all the stats: https://escharts.com/tournaments/valorant/valorant-champions-2023-valorant

P.S. Numbers do look alright without Asian viewers

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LOUD are so humble, they lost on purpose and are playing close matches just to carry the group-stage viewership

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for people asking about chinese viewership, there's like an average of 600-700k views on the VODS. I think the concurrent viewers are probably around like 50-70k average and 100k peak based on that.

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On bilibili the hype meter or some shit is 3M and someone told me that the viewers is 1/10th of that so 300k

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Thanks ... Also looks good <3

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1) If you fuck up timezones japan , china , SEA , kr , viewership will drop . During big matches of asian teams people from here itself will give u like 200k+ viewers , during cn match like 300k cn fans watch. If bad timezone here then like 100k viewers lost depending on the popularity of the match.
2) Same thing with EMEA , prolly like 50-100k fans lost
3) If brazil team doesnt do good then again viewership lost . Loud's games in champs were the most watched . if lockin didnt have loud in finals there wouldve been 200k less viewers again , the viewers who just tune in for brazil team
4) If no NA team does good then again some sen 100t meatriders wont watch the game
So compared to Istanbul's 1.5m peak viewers im expecting this champs to have 1-1.3m peak viewers ( 1.3 if loud make it )

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Now imagine tarik stopped watch partying

What are people gonna do, watch and enjoy the cast by "esports" Doug and "Fortnite" balla?

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lmaooooooo. And balla said on platcast how much he hates watch parties cuz it takes away from his work. My brother, we watch the watch parties so don't gotta listen to you lmaooo

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OH GLORY DAYS of covid and visa problem can't americans get a free trophy like OPTECH gaming did??
Valorant in shambles

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timezone tbh
2021 berlin / eu
2022 tukey / eu
2023 la / na

so if it was eu both ame and pacf can watch normal/ not sleep timezone

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"The timezones is not an excuse"

EMEA/APAC is still fine with matches until 1-2AM but in EMEA, the 2nd and 3rd matches start at around 2AM & in APAC its around 5-6 AM. Its not feasible for fans who have a job or go to a uni. Its worse for both of those fields which are a majority. I just think US timings mess up the whole timeline. Tokyo was still fine for EU/APAC but EU times are best for all I've noticed.

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Time zone maybe and that cant be counting the CN numbers. there is no way