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Is tenz worth what SEN paid for him?

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Rexx

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kristof
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no, not even close

#20
armeena
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Getting downvoted for telling the truth

#22
kristof
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tenz fanboys are too braindead and they only care about the scoreboard in an open qualifier

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Giannero
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He wasn't worth it as a pro, but as brand value, he probably was

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commonW
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Giannero
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It doesn't bring them as much money as he does by being a pro

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Chocolate_Mint_Icecream
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Name one valorant pro (who streams) that can average 40k viewers and has peaks of 100k has more Instagram/twitter interactions than the entire call of duty scene and one of the most mechanical l gifted players

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That only matters if the org can monetize it.

Twitter is one of the most used sites in the world with engagement numbers that most apps and platforms can't even dream of, yet its financials are terrible.

From what I have heard, it is rare for an org to get a cut of a pro player's earnings from streaming. If they do, then that's great. If they don't, however, how exactly is TenZ's brand being monetized in a way that helps make up for the amount they paid for him + his salary which presumably is bound to be massive?

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It makes the org popular. It helps selling merch. It helps sealing sponsor deals. It gets the org's matches views up. It creates them a dedicated fanbase. It helps to make succesful content online (youtube, etc.)

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spaldingmatters
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Very good reply, I didn't think of the sponsor angle!

#46
axnav7
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yeah like optic did with nadeshot

#43
prxwinsberlin
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You much be crazy to think that twitter is not the major source of advertising their merch.

#45
spaldingmatters
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I am not sure what the profit margin of esports merchandize is, but another poster had a very good reply to me outlining several benefits.

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busterD
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If they wouldn’t be getting a cut of the streaming revenue. They would’ve never paid such an insane amount and c9 would have nothing to back their insane price tag. Winning tournaments would never be enough to cover such a price tag. I’m assuming it’s stream revenue + sponsors willing to pump more funds knowing tenz is in the roster which increases their visibility as well.

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Definitely. Their best player + brings great engagement to the org

#4
-seriouspotato-
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bro tenz is carrying them rn lmao

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Rexx
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not saying his a bad player, but i don't think he's worth that million or whatever they paid for him

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GLN321
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but he makes it back through his fame and partnerships... The only negative I see about the deal is that it inflated the NA market a lot, especially for sentinels, if the rumors about the coaches buyouts are true

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Pixsy
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Is that even a question... obviously

#6
hellohello139
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yes, he's a good player, just needs a better team without a rat IGL

#8
DrudaL
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Yes, even shahzam get a house from streaming.
I can't imagine how many the org get money. They don't hire a REAL coach, analyst etc.

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Hide123
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If they manage to keep him long-term yes, if he ends up leaving within the next year then no. The sheer amount of fan support and viewers he brings to the Sentinels brand is great for the org but it will take a while for them to actually make a profit off him.

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GLN321
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If he ends up leaving then I guess the question would be for how much, I can very well imagine him being more valuable now as an asset than last year, so they might even make a return on their investment just on the transaction price. But then again, I don't think any org could by tenz right now anyways

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It'll mainly depend on how Tenz's contract is structured. If they have him signed for the long term then they aren't gonna sell him even if he wants to leave because I think no org would be able to pay what Sentinels would want for him, other orgs would rather just wait for his contract to end. If his contract ends at the end of the year then I could see him leaving for a different team for the next VCT, or just pursuing cc(if he goes the content creation route I see him joining 100T).

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I guess thats true, I just assume the contract is probably in the longer side of things (maybe 2-3+ years). It’d be kinda dumb to pay such a high buyout if you werent planning on signing the player long term imo.

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I agree, but idk if Sentinels actually would've been able to do that. They seemed pretty desperate to get Tenz at the time, and Tenz at the time was the best player in the world and had essentially just been locked in contract jail by C9 for the past couple of months so he might've been able to negotiate a contract that could let him leave at the end of this year if he wanted rather than being locked in for the long term.

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sundaymondaytuesday
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It's been 2 years tenz is holding them back fr

#12
helohelo
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Carries SEN on content and in games, sure he had a few chokejobs but for what SEN paid for he's worth it all they gotta do is make him happy and make sure this team doesn't become tier 2

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Are people that much deranged? What special performance is he putting up now to justify the price tag? By the fanboy's logic, every star duelist of every decent team should have a buyout of at least 1 million usd.

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Yeah he’s expensive, that’s the entire reason the team should’ve been built around him. But at the same time he’s probably brought in or will eventually bring in much more revenue than his buyout just from merch/stream revenue/YouTube etc etc. So it’s worth either way.

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His social following is probably more important to the org than his performance. Before he joined SEN used to have 100k something followers now they have 600k, their tweets get the highest engagement compared to any other org. If you don't know important these things are then you are new to esports. Either you have to be the best at the game or you have to be insanely popular to be a great assest to the org

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busterD
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For tenz to be worth his buyout. They need to build around him and not shaz. Get in a good team (coach, analyst) get strats, boot camp, enable him and he’ll carry 7/10 games. If you guys consider rawkus a coach then you probably consider Shazam a good igl.

#18
commonW
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tenz is the shittiest player ever
you guys will get reality checked
just because he can get 20 kills in an open qualifier match doesnt mean he is good and worth millions

#19
busterD
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He’s worth millions because he can generate millions in revenue, not because he can click mouse. Makes sense ?

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commonW
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shouldve signed him as a content creator then.
so he wont hold his team back

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busterD
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How is he holding his team back exactly ? He’s doing his role, maybe he’s shit some games/some games good but he will play as he has been asked to play by his coach/igl. The team is lacking structure and planning/strats. Kicking tenz won’t solve it. When the teams game plan is someone go get aim diffs and win us the round.

#23
OriGinalgamerSWEAT
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Yes

#26
ShyftNot1
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no, imo. his performance, his brand and his audience is not enough to justify the 1.25 mil price tag.

#30
PurpleTiger1
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yes, his branding and the fans he brings to SEN are crazy. SEN have prob already made their money back

#32
yaiima0
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The amount of revenue and fans he brings is definitely worth it for the brand

#33
trola
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content creator perspective? yeah definitely worth it

#34
Kepin
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other than in-game? probably yes. but so far in game he looks very average. but he probably have the highest peak in the scene, he just doesnt there yet.

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Tentativas
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hell no, he forced shazam to play Sova (which was sinatraa's role before). He was definitely a downgrade from sinatraa overall, even though his raw aiming skills are better than sinatraa's, it's not like sinatraa was lacking in firepower. Also Shazam's jett is nothing to joke about, so imo no, he wasn't worth it as a pro, but CERTAINLY worth it as a content creator.

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Matrix13e
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L

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busterD
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Anyone at pro level can play Jett lol. Even steel played Jett and got 20 frags. Tenz is not the problem, the coach/igl issue is the problem. The team has no fucking clue what to do in game other than go for aim diff

#41
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Never said TenZ was the problem, I'm saying he wasn't worth it... wait how the fuck did you misread what I said that badly

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busterD
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He’s not worth it because the team is not structured to make any of their players worth their potential you dumb donkey. Gtn fanstraights won’t udnerstand

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