MARVED - opinion before VCT & after

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pra_wiiin

Honestly i thought Marved wasn't that good and was kinda overhyped and holy F im wrong man was a strong reason for optic's success, Fair play to the guy
looking to know your thoughts
before - ....
after - ...

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before- he's ok
after- Iceland otherwise known as "North America 2" was founded by Joe Biden in 2021 and expanded into a 51st state in early 2022. Notable politicians would include senator Tyson "Tenz" Ngo and governor Jaccob "yay" Whiteaker.

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ooookay

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DELUSIONAL_SCOURGE_FAN

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Hmmm how will this affect the rare fish economy

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vollizie

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Before I thought he was a solid controller and Top 3 in NA for that role.
After I think you could make an argument that he's the best controller atm.

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MaKo or him for me, possibly SugarZ3ro too

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vollizie

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Those are my Top 3, and the order could go anywhere tbh.

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MaKo has shown excellence with Viper, Marved with Brim and Omen, SUGARHERO with Astra.
Although I still think Chronicle is a top tier player

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isn't nats the controller on gambit?

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Volt8888

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Marved is the best Brimstone in the world, but overall, Mako is a bit better. Marved stays second

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mako best viper suger zero best astra marved best brim and omen imo

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st0nks

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marved has a pretty good lan stats for controller players unlike that rolex guy who keeps bottom fragging, hes not even the IGL lol

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Sugma

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rent free

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st0nks

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I talk about a pro player on a pro player forum and you say "rent free", ur just "braincells free" i guess

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lmfao fr i hope zombs never gets a chance on a t1 team again; he's shown consistently that he can't compete in t1! Maybe if he gets more than 10 kills in tryouts he might make it, but I don't think so

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zombs will get on a good team again if he wants to go back to competitive play

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copium

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real biased here because marved has been my 2nd favorite valorant player of all time
just wanted to say I always knew he was the GOAT

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InfernalSpectre

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Before: Hate him as a person but he was a decent player
After: Still hate him as a person but he's better than I thought though not the best

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why do you hate him as a person?

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TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR

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dumb blatant matchfixer ofc

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In the past he had allegations of match fixings

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InfernalSpectre

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Matchfixing and the whole Shanks-Kyedae situation that happened early on in the game. I just don't like disrespectful people.

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ballsinyojaws

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as if you haven't been disrespectful in your life ever....

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InfernalSpectre

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Only to those who were disrespectful to me first. Even then not to that extent. Sorry I was raised properly.

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fIuid

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if you were raised properly you would understand human growth occurs. I'm sure he's changed.

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Right so if he kills a guy and spends 25 years in jail but then comes out changed and feels bad about what he did he just magically becomes not a murderer. Yknow because human growth. "Oh it's not the same" It is because that's the person he is. He'd rather keep his mouth shut than defend someone because of his friendship. Same reason why everyone respects Tarik even those who aren't fans of him. He doesn't support JasonR's bs and speaks out against it even if they're friends cause he knows it's wrong.

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fIuid

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jesus you need help

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you are a fuckin idiot

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mf thinks he's a saint. stop that cap. we've all said stupid shit before, thats the process of maturing.

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you saying that hes not the best is you ignoring his in game play and basing it solely off of him outside of the game

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InfernalSpectre

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If you think he's the best there is I mean you're just wrong. If you're talking about players his own teammate yay is better than him. If you're talking about being a smoke player still think SugarZero is a better player. He's good just not the best.

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m1kah

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He is better than sugarzero and its not even close. You’re literally not giving him his credit because you have some personal animosity towards him.

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InfernalSpectre

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Yep cause you definitely know what everyone is thinking and what their opinions are based on. Maybe if you looked at the stats provided by the literal website you're on you'd know that it is actually close and SugarZero is better based off opinion not fanboy bullshit like you. But sure let me do the work for you.

Marved has 37 more rounds played, 3.1 higher acs, same kd, 2% less KAST, 0.2 less average damage a round, 0.01 less kills per round, .02 more assists per round, .04 more first kills per round, .02 more first deaths per round, 2% higher headshot %, 6% higher clutch %, 26 more kills, 23 more deaths, and 22 more assists.

37 more rounds is roughly 2 games. With 2 extra games, he has 26 more kills, 23 more deaths, and 22 more assists. With some basic math you probably lack that's 13 kills, 11.5 deaths, and 11 assists per extra game that averages 18.5 rounds. What great stats huh. Hate all you want the stats are right there. I literally said he's good but ya I'm not giving him credit lmao. Sums up your brain capacity in 2 sentences.

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Your entire argument is invalid. Youre getting emotional and you proceed to make personal assumptions about me. Relax and put numbers aside. If you watch him play the game whether its his lurks, util usage, or clutches its clear as day that his impact was higher than just about anyone else. Only other is yay. Stats aren’t everything.

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Yep lil man my argument is invalid because you don't agree with it. You think I'm getting emotional cause I bring out stats that you can't read it's kinda funny ngl. I can tell you straight up that SugarZero has far better util usage than Marved. Sure Marved has lurks and clutches but how many of his lurks failed? He's also put in so many clutch scenarios because he lurks so much. Stats aren't everything but they give an idea of impact in a team environment. I can guarantee if I didn't pull up the stats you would try to use his higher stats as reasoning. Quit fanboying and use some logic in your arguments. Stay mad man no point in arguing with an illogical person.

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m1kah

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You keep personally attacking me. That's not how you make an argument. You seem very upset. Jimzo is too icy 🥶

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sluff

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i am mostly a cs fan, do valorant ppl not know this guy is a massive matchfixer?

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fIuid

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everyone knows that

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TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR

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delusional marved fans try not to think about that. he's an edgy matchfixer who doesn't deserve success after committing federal crimes

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Steel was also banned but here we are

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Steel acknowledged he did a terrible thing, he apologized, and he even was in an ad about not matchfixing, kind of a joke towards the iBP throw.. meanwhile during the press conference for Masters 3 or Champions last year (I forgot which), an interviewer asked him a question about matchfixing in CS and he chose to ignore the question and move on... lol

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Theres a huge difference between steel and marveds case. In steels case they already proved and actually said he did it. Also they were only fixing for skins. In marveds case, they haven’t officially convicted him and they fixed for actual money. Marved isn’t just gonna go out there and admit to committing a crime.

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m1kah

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everyone knows but hes also the worlds best controller so...

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No one cares + he deserves to be where he's at rn

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TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR

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yes we should all just forget that he committed a federal crime!!

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blatant matchfixer in csgo which altered bets and that's a federal crime, he should be punished even if he left CSGO, it doesn't matter it's still a federal crime

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cry

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TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR

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flag checks out
have fun continuing to support someone who committed a federal crime!

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cry tsm fan

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TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR

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ok rapist supporter. ofc its an american supporting someone who rapes people

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well i hope more matchfixers ruin your game ,
because your community is more toxic than any vipers pit

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TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR

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"my community" what does this even mean bro? i play both valorant and cs im just stating a fact kid

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stay mad

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before - top 1 controller NA, could argue zander or vanity over him because of IGLing.

now - top 1 controller world until proven otherwise

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no i dont think he was number 1 NA right before masters, he wasnt doing much a lot of the time and only every once in a while he wuold be playing like he did this tourney but after yea i completely agree that he is the best player that is on the controller role I dont think hes the best controller however cause the support he provides his team is pretty much non existent other than his smokes. When hes on omen the smokes are for his team and the rest of his util is used purely for him to frag out

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Marved did what any other controller on NA wouldn't have done, not even vanity

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TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR

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yes, you're right.

marved matchfixed blatantly in csgo, vanity wouldn't have done that!

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JustHunter

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before he was quite non existent half the time which i guess was the case as well with the rest of optic online, but after the TG match he just went offffff

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m1kah

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You mustve not been watching him since faze then…

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JustHunter

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tf i was talking about when he moved to optic, that faze shit was a millennium ago

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trola

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before : i already knew he is super good because i followed master berlin 2021 religiously
after : i told you i already knew

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before - very good player
after - very very very good player

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fixed for you:

before - good player but blatant matchfixer who should be banned from playing and arrested for committing a federal crime
after - good player but blatant matchfixer who should be banned from playing and arrested for committing a federal crime

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he hasn't been convicted, he was only part of the FBI investigations as far as I know. Also why do you want the man arrested?

Steel acknowledged he did a terrible thing, he apologized, and he even was in an ad about not matchfixing, kind of a joke towards the iBP throw.. meanwhile during the press conference for Masters 3 or Champions last year (I forgot which), an interviewer asked him a question about matchfixing in CS and he chose to ignore the question and move on... lol >

I mean if we want to be consistent here, we should arrest steel and brax etc. Whether they were remorseful about it afterwards shouldn't make a difference in the eyes of the FBI. It seems to you that you're just mad at Marved for not outright confessing that he did matchfix, which would probably not be smart as that might implicate him lmao. Either you're unknowingly treating matchfixers differently here or you just want one to serve jail time.

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i mean both those things at the end are "unknowingly treating matchfixers differently"

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sleepingspice

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unknowingly treating matchfixers differently or "this dude just hates marved, and is intentionally choosing to break consistency" would be a more unkind way to say it

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DeluluGavin

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wait whattt, so many shit happpened

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exxem

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before i thought marved was the best performing controller in NA, not counting IGLing
after marved is either the best or second best controller in the world, maybe behind mako

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before marved was underrated top 5 controller NA easily
after proved and tested. #blessed #cantakeurgirl

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wewZ

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before - yeah he was really good but he overextended sometimes
after - wtf marved literally carried his team to the win.

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arrivederci

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before match fixer but seems like a nice guy
after inconsistent but when pops off he pops off hard

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pra_wiiin

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fair

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I used to think he was an impact player, not a crazy fragger, but insane pistol rounds and good clutches
Now I still think he’s an impact player, but one who has the ability to pop off and swing maps in his teams favor, also with amongst the highest entry success rates in the world

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Always been good Id say

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before : pretty underrated for all the value he brings to the table, but still able to frag above crashies and fns
after : THAT BOY COOOOLD 🥶🥶🥶🥶

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Before: I thought he was good probably one of the best smokes NA
After: He is really good and the best smokes NA

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agreed