compared to Phoenix and omen, who deserves buffs?

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imo waylay, vyse, kayo but he probably should just get a rework, veto needs a better interceptor, miks obviously, astra maybe jett, kj, viper, reyna 100%, deadlock a tiny buff to sensors

these are all agents that are imo less powerful than Phoenix and omen

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gekko

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forsure

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GovernorGlazer
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I think neon needs a buff🧠🧠🧠

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Yea bro like bring back 2 stuns 2 slides wall deal DMG perfect agent

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Let Viper pick up her smoke again

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All flash initiators except maybe Skye, Tejo, Deadlock, Veto, KJ, Miks

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Sentinels

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samphyrz77
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Skye definitely

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Easily Veto and Miks.

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Reyna

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milflover92
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Just nerf Omen neon and phoenix and the game is ten times more fun to watch and play

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no omen and Phoenix are very well balanced the game feels lively to those who play those agents compared to other agents

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milflover92
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except at the high level where everyone is bored and losing passion because every game it's the same shit. As a competitor it's one of the most boring metas where neon phoenix sova omen +1 is a viable comp on every map. There's no problem solving to do with playing different comps anymore, shit just kind of sucks. I see 2 of Neon Yoru Pheonix, 1 of Sova/Fade, Omen, and +1 depending on the map, EVERY map except Lotus, where it's equally stale. It's so dull.

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milflover92
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At least Sage/Chamber is a archetype that starts to pick up in play 😔 otherwise I probably wouldn't compete until the next champs patch

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sova omen (viper to an extent) being meta on majority of maps for years is just straight cancer

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milflover92
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Sova and Fade have their own problems of being the only viable recon agents despite there being 4 in the game... Gekko and Skye just aren't that great recon wise and flashes already are provided by your superior omen or phoenix. All the more reason to nerf omen and phoenix. I think if RIot didn't release an agent all year but instead rebalanced every class, the game would be about a million times better. Can anyone tell me why the Astra stun has both a longer cooldown than a breach stun (or any ini cooldowns for that matter) AND also has the same stun time as a Neon stun, despite having to predict where your enemy will be, place a star and stun it vs. insta stunning off of any noise? What makes the rewards the same?

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the answer is riot just doesnt care about consistency (im already pissed off that they need to standarize init cooldown when controller have different cooldowns)

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milflover92
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I think they care too much about consistency to the point where it hurts them. Stun standardization was never necessary, neither were ini cooldowns when sentis have 8 unique cooldowns and controllers are unique as well. like why? this wasn't done well imo

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as for Viper, I just think any passive recharging ability should not exist. It breaks the game, the same way Neon breaks the game is the same way Viper does fundementally, and i'm surprised it took two neon metas for people to still not understand it's her passive recharge that makes her inherently broken.

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agree, when everyone else is massacred, 16s full running is just busted compared to the slide/stun that people often complain

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Firehunters
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Breach and Gekko

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Veto jett kayo breach tejo

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delighted
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KAY/O

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cypher and tejo

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